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He signed an executive order on Thursday, saying violence had reached "intolerable levels".

The sanctions will block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.

Violence in the West Bank has spiked since Hamas's 7 October attack on Israel.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 209 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Everyone here should know, this is due to you and the conversations you've been having, media you've been supporting, and any actions you've taken to directly protest, letter write, etc.

Activism works. Being annoying af works. Simply changing the media you consume has an impact. Conservatives get what they want from their elected officials because they demand it. You too can demand things of your elected officials (so long as you can hold them to consequence, ie, the problem with bnmw).

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let's not forget, this is exactly how we ended segregation in the US and Apartheid in South Africa.

Activism works. Let your voice be heard.

This is also why bad actors fill sites like reddit with bots, to try and control the public narrative.

But bots can't vote. Bots can't demonstrate. Bots can't boycott.

And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.

I wouldn't count on that. I'm a dev, and I don't really know how you reliably do that. You can catch low hanging fruit, but it doesn't take much to evade.

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[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

This is due to Biden needing to go to Michigan, with its huge arabic population. His campaign people wanted to avoid loud and awkward protests from members of his own party, so they threw a tiny bone that they knew would make a big headline splash.

I hate to be this cynical, but listening to his campaign managers making the rounds on the political insider podcasts… they are overwhelmingly “professional” and entirely inauthentic.

Even if biden himself is earnest, this campaign is shaping up to have all the stage managed authenticity of Hillary’s 2016 run.

I’m worried.

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[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unless you're extinction rebellion and then everyone hates you anyway.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 70 points 9 months ago (5 children)

"The indivuals". Four. Four guys. That's all. Of all the Israeli illegal settlers, a whole total of FOUR are getting banned from buying US properties...which I doubt they wanted to, anyway.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

thanks for the clarification as my country is banned from clicking on that link and I'm too lazy to shit my pants on another website.

Even if it's just lip service to get votes from the left, I'm happy to see the narrative manifesting itself in the white house. they obviously know that voters want.

unfortunately by the time any serious policy would be enacted, Palestine will be gone.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

A reminder that all Israeli settlements are illegal.

[–] Yewb@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (16 children)

"How dare you do something instead of doing everything!"

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Biden makes sure that four illegal colonists cannot go to America and must stay there to colonize Palestine!

He has Michigan in the bag now. All those Arabs can see how strong this man is.

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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I suppose better than nothing but 'better than nothing' is a low fuckin bar for intervention in ongoing genocide. Unless there's reprecussions on the state of Israel, who condones and empowers settelers, this seems like sanctioning the Houthis while simultaneously arming Iran.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a start.

It has been political suicide in the past to criticize Isreal. They are also an incredibly important strategic ally in the region, both militarily and commerce.

This move shows that the US is potentially willing to move away from unconditional support, which could be devastating to Isreal.

So, while the actual scope of the sanctions themselves is unimpressive, the meaning behind it is significant.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, you're not wrong, but I'm really really tired of getting 'it's a start' action on issues like this and the irreversible change of the climate. There's a very real timer ticking on both these issues if nothing changes and based on history I'm really skeptical were getting anything but another 'its a start' on some other small facet of this issue, ad nauseam until it's not an election year.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

Skepticism is always healthy, but try not to wade too far into cynicism.

International relations are very complicated, and even if it would be satisfying to have fast and heavy responses, I can also understand the cautious approach in this case. As you say, it's an election year. It would not do Palestinians much good to have a reactionary response poison the well, just to the Republicans win all levels of government and screw up the region far worse, in addition to abandoning Ukraine.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

For anyone not reading any further...this is a whole total of FOUR illegal settlers being banned. FOUR.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 63 points 9 months ago (42 children)

Firstly, positive to see more criticism and friction between Israel and US officials, and that resulting in unilateral action against extreme elements of Israeli society. I recognize that international and domestic politics are hard to balance, and its campaign season.

But holy shit this solves nothing. “It’s a start” certainly, but there shouldn’t even be settlers. Oslo II very clearly, with lines on the map agreed to by both sides, set out that the West Bank and Gaza is Palestinian, for Palestinians.

At what point does the US alliance with Israel cost us more than it’s worth, especially when this unlimited support is directly harmful to other regional allies like Jordan or Egypt?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago

I'm sure that behind closed.doors, we are rapidly approaching that point.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's optics, which are important. You can't demand the US unilaterally solve Middle East peace or nothing matters.

And you (not literally you I just mean people) can't get mad at "hugging Netanyahu" which also did literally nothing in reality, while dismissing this. They're both optics. Early after Oct 7th Biden wanted to show compassion for Israel after the attack, now he's showing that the US is not on the same page as Israeli leadership. Probably part of a top-level pressure campaign, starting small with private critiques, then public critiques, then actually sanctioning some extreme people, maybe next he threatens to withhold aid, we don't know.

You can still argue the process isn't going fast enough and you want whatever your proposed solution is, but it's not 'nothing' for the same reasons you mentioned in your first paragraphs.

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[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Now do the same with the Israeli state

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, what good are sanctions if the Israeli government is still giving them US weapons to continue terrorising Palestinians in the West bank?

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] BMatthew@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

Way to little, but at least something.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago

Us sanctioning iran: "FUCK EVERY MAN WOMAN GRANDPARENT AND CHILD, OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT BITCH"

Us sanctioning israel: "using satalites we have pinpointed 4 individuals in the west bank region and will enact targeted sanctions to curb behavior, thank you and god bless"

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Glad to see he's starting to feel the pressure! That aside, wake me up when he sanctions Israel, which not-so-subtly supports these settlers.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

He doesn't even need to sanction them. Stop sending them weapons.

Edit: I mean, I guess sanctions would be nice too, but stopping the weapons transfers should be the bare minimum.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

how do you sanction "settlers" exactly

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

They get put on a list. They try to enter the US, they get detained. They won't be able to engage with the American banking system or buy real estate in America.

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

History repeats itself. War crimes are being committed and other countries try to wait it out with pointless bureaucracy bullshit.

Meanwhile innocent children suffer and die every day.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

What happens if one of the settlers becomes PM of Israel? Does the US change its tune?

Remember, in the case of India, the current PM of India was banned from entering the US for almost a decade. Now, we bend over backwards for him.

[–] ira@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Seeing as Ben-Gvir isn't mentioned at all, I think you already have your answer.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

These fucking morons are going to hillary themselves into another Trump presidency. Fucking embarassing.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

You have to admit it is an interesting tactic. First he makes all people who are pro palestine hate him and now he also makes the people who are pro israel hate him as well.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

What scrambles my brain is he won't even do the most basic shit. Like okay Gazans are starving because Aid is being blocked. Why aren't we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?

Even if you believe the IDF is the most moral military on the planet (laugh, snort) this is an obvious measure to make sure there isn't a famine. And the IDF could have pretended they did it willingly if they had done this in December when we knew it was a problem!

But nope. Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?

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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The sanctions block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.

They also prevent them from using the American financial system.

I wonder what percentage of the Israeli settlers are using the US financial system or even own US property.

The wording is also a bit vague, Do the bombs that we also sent Israel count as our property. Or are they officially Israel's?

Also, who are "the individuals?" who invaded the west bank? Do we have group names?

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Biden (I hope): "Gee, after the election, I don't have to worry about voters thinking I'm 'throwing Israel under the bus', and can do whatever I want. Gee, will I still be a zionist? Or will I follow what my party wants me to do? Here is a hint, Israel."

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I think i'm going to call this hopium

Because what reason at all does he have to challenge the USA's biggest defense partner and international asset?

Already ignoring the fact that his party is also backed by zionists lol.

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