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I don't mean to be pessimistic, bit since most subreddits are only going dark for a couple days, the site will basically be back to normal soon. I wonder how many users here are only here because of temporary outrage and not because they actually prefer Lemmy. I'm curious about people's outlook on this situation.

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[–] someguy@lemmyland.com 2 points 1 year ago

I'd like to think that the fedi/lemmy space will be a nice place to still participate in, even a person decides to go back.

[–] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

They're starting by going private for 2 days, but almost unanimously they will continue for longer if reddit doesn't concede. Specifically some of the biggest subreddits like funny and videos, those won't be coming back unless reddit backs off or replaces the moderators.

[–] sibe@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mostly everyone who will try kbin/lemmy as an alternative to Reddit. Unreal how bad the UI/UX is considering the time they've had to copy Reddit.

Lemmy

  • Posts are randomly added realtime when scrolling the main page making it unbearable
  • Subscribed/trending community list is a weird unaligned logo+text instead of a normal scrollable list

Kbin

  • How the fuck do you navigate to your subscribed "magazines"? The magazines tab just shows you list of everything and going under your subscriptions shows posts from every magazine I am subscribed to instead of letting me click on the specific magazine

"Fediverse"

  • Content propagation from other instances is slow(?) I want to subscribe to cs@kbin.social but beehaw still can't find it - maybe I don't understand it well enough and it's just a temporary issue
[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Do note that a lot of this is created and maintained by people who don't have it as a full-time job and who likely have not experienced the surge of users that are currently moving from reddit. There are growing pains, there are going to be more, that's an unfortunate fact of the matter.

I think what will end up as a "make or break" factor for most is whether you believe in the underlying concept or not. Basically, do you believe in having a form of social media that is independent and federated, of do you prefer one that is centralized.

All this probably doesn't ease your frustrations but I think we all need to try to be patient at this point in time. Do come with constructive criticism, that is almost always beneficial, but be aware that it's gonna take time to get everything sorted.

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[–] 777@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It depends on whether someone's a member of the community or just because they want to scroll some epic memes. I expect many people are of the latter category and probably don't even understand what the fuss is about.

It's not like I'll never look at Reddit again if there's useful info on it but I won't be part of the Reddit community again after the scorn and disrespect they showed it - I hope to help build something new over here.

I can't do anything about Reddit's decisions but I can vote with my attention and help to build a compelling alternative.

[–] neal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is a tough one for me. If it was just the API changes I probably would have been hesitant but would have returned. As long as old.reddit still worked I probably would have used that.
BUT...... the AMA spez did hurt those chances. He could have avoided dragging the Apollo guy through the mud. So as long as he is there, tough to imagine I will be going back.

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately with the enshittification of almost the entire internet due to a few monoliths controlling almost all traffic and the concept of the hedonic treadmill, the new shitty normal will become acceptable to most people who are not really thinking about it. Not much anyone can do about that.

In my case and for many others, there's a breaking point. It's further along than we probably would like to think it is, but for me it's being jerked over to an inferior, broken, and cluttered interface designed to maximize the amount of paid BS that I have to see while still having to tolerate the consequences of the centrist "all bigots we can sell to are welcome" mentality of Reddit ownership. It's become too much for me to want to continue to participate regularly while alternatives like this exist which haven't yet been ruined yet.

[–] MoreIronOre@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would really help the adoption of Lemmy if we get a 'multisub'-idea, that Reddit uses, where a user could bind multiple instances' communities together, and make it appear as one community.

(So I can bind all similar instances into one).

Regardless, I won't be going back to Reddit. If I stick around Lemmy, that's kind of up to how I enjoy this platform & usability, but I can be quite stubborn with my 'morals'. Once a platform is done for me, it is done lmao.

[–] Azzu@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't what you're talking about just subscribing to the different instances communities?

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[–] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

For my part, I am here to stay on Lemmy, and will be deleting my Reddit accounts. The quality of the content on Reddit has gotten pretty bad this past year or so. Too many ads, too many suggestions for SubReddits that I am not interested in -- but their algorithm "thinks" I would be interested on account of the fact that this SubReddit they keep recommending to me has a million subscribers and would likely keep me engaged with their platform.

I joined Mastodon last year and I love it so much, I swear I will never participate in a corporate-owned social network ever again. Mastodon has mostly satisfied my need for surrogate human interaction, but now that everyone is abandoning Reddit for Lemmy, I think I will join Lemmy too.

I am here to stay.

[–] New_account@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

From June 14 to June 30, the RIF Android app will mostly work as normal providing access to most of the same subreddits I've been visiting for the past decade+. A few will shut down permanently, but other than that, it'll mostly be the same as before, so I'll probably use Reddit during that period.

However, effective July 1, that option disappears completely. If I want to continue using Reddit, I'll have to download an entirely different app and get used to an entirely different user interface providing an experience much worse than RIF. If I have to learn something brand new anyway, I may as well try an entirely different platform like Lemmy. No idea if I'll stick here long term or not, but the power of Reddit was the community. If the community migrates over here, I'm all for staying here. I suspect one of the Redsit alternatives will attract a critical mass of people at some point.

As every internet platform has shown, the enshittification is inevitable. Eventually, Lemmy too will become an unusable mess of ads and feature creep if/when enough money starts flowing in. However, I'm perfectly fine using the site for the next few years until that happens.

I didn't even know there was a fediverse reddit alternative until the blackout, so that's why I'm here. But if I had known lemmy was a thing before now I would have moved earlier. If the communities here that interest me don't fizzle out I'll stay, I would guess a lot of others are in the same boat.

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I had to guess, I would think that a disappointingly large amount of people will go back to normal reddit use, even if nothing changes. People hate changing their routine.

I had barely heard of Lemmy before any of this started, and many others have similar stories about that. The servers yesterday however, were super busy. That leads me to believe that there may be a lot of lurkers in addition to the new accounts.

In the long run, I feel like many of us will start using Lemmy a lot more often. This kind of reminds me of the death of a few other social media platforms. Over time, I think this community may continue to grow, and could become what reddit once was to digg. This time though, there's federation on the platform.

If Lemmy plays their hand right, they could easily top reddit overall within a few years, especially if reddit keeps treating their mods and communities poorly.

At this point, it's about principle. I would have been less angry at reddit if they just came out and said they were removing 3rd party apps. Instead, we got a sh*tshow with false accusations, lies, and ignorance. I say ignorance, because a lot of people have been complaining about the official apps accessibly options, yet reddit does nothing to help them. Moderators have been complaining about how the official app makes it very difficult to moderate, yet reddit still did nothing. Somehow though, they're awesome at plugging in as many ads as possible, and they are brilliant at eating excessive amounts of data.

Even if reddit comes back, I think I'm gone.

[–] ARNiM@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree, I do hope Lemmy strives tbh. When there is more content, there is more traction. Let’s just keep these discussions going and spread the word around. I talk to my coworkers during lunch break about the Reddit blackout and told them about Lemmy (but I usually start the conversation with β€œdo you use Reddit”)

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[–] CannaVet@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most.

90% of the engagement I've seen regarding Lemmy is "Why isn't this Reddit and work exactly the same as Reddit? When WILL it work exactly the same as Reddit?"

I'm already seeing hostility a la "Well I guess we'll see if the devs LiStEn To ThIeR uSeRs" in regards to communities getting tied to a central authority, aka the thing this was explicitly designed to not do. I've been offloading my data and such to self hosted options for a few years now where I can anyway, so I'm down to stay, but I DO look forward to the end of the protest and the Reddit stans going home like nothing happened like they were always going to.

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[–] venuswasaflytrap@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I'm probably going to be on both.

It was pretty surprising how easy it was to create an account and a not-to-bad feed. All of the communities I like don't yet exist on lemmy, but there's nothing preventing them from starting up, and the structure is very good.

Reddit has already created a permanent scar in it's user base. This event has seeded a minority of users on lemmy/kbin/whatever. And there will be more again on July 1 when the various 3rd party apps stop working.

Even if reddit just stops there and doesn't do anymore detrimental things to it's user base that scar is permanent. There's enough users on here now to be self-sustaining for a few small communities at least. And anytime in the future that reddit pulls some shit - which given their corporate structure, it looks like they will - more users are going to look for alternatives and many will end up here.

For someone like me - that'll just mean more time here and less time on reddit, until eventually it'll be only on here - just like Digg, just like Fark, just like all the other ones.

[–] mglap@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Every day, I open jerboa and see like 5x more communities with a lot of activity. If we can keep up this level of growth for another week or so, then i don't think I'll miss Reddit much. Especially if i really have to download the official app. On the other hand, if Reddit backs down at the last minute and agrees to allow third party apps, then i could see lemmy users going back to Reddit out of habit.

[–] nickapos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Things will go back to a new normal with a lot more users. Some will remain others will not. Eventually the ecosystem will mature, new apps will be created and more people will move over.

I prefer to be bored on lemmy than annoyed with agressive pop ups, repetitive and irellevant ads and silenced whenever i express opinion that goes against the prevailing group think. If you prefer being herded into corrals on that other site, feel free to leave.

[–] SJTheGreat06@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm, well, as for me, I've already deleted my Reddit account, and now I've permanently switched to Lemmy. The community here is genuinely pleasant, unlike the experience I had on Reddit where my questions and comments were often deleted. The people here are not only nice but also genuinely helpful! It's such a delightful place to be, and I feel a strong desire to remain here indefinitely.

I tend to be more of a lurker than an active participant, primarily because I fear that my opinions and views might be suppressed due to internet censorship. However, in this community, I can freely express myself without any apprehension (as long as I adhere to the rules).

[–] SecretPotatoChip@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a lot of them will. Realistically, a lot of people are going to forget about the whole blackout thing and just use the official app.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"You WILL use the spyware app, and you WILL be happy." -spez

In a hilarious irony, reddit is down at the moment.

[–] TheYang@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Well, a lot will go back, but it's also a question of who will go back.
wasn't reddit something like a 99% / 1% / .1% distribution?
Most people just read, some comment, a tiny percentage contributes.

If the power users, the contributors, moderators, and even some of the commenters would stay, the readers would stop at some point too, because there is no (good) new content.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Probably most refugees will go back but hopefully not a so small minority will continue to use Lemmy or only Lemmy.

Probably a second wave will migrate at the beginning of July because I don't think that 2 days of "abstinence" will change to much.

Not me. I love to live the pirate life and reddit aint so friendly to our kind. Also remember that people can use multiple "social medias". I think only a small group of people will become Lemmy exclusive users, and many Lemmy users would still be using reddit alongside lemmy, maybe not posting as much as they used to, but they will still browse reddit.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I think at least 1% will stay, but due to how massive Reddit is, that will be enough to survive.

[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real test will be when the apps go dark at the end of June.

[–] Matomo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like that will have more impact than a portion of the subreddits going dark for a few days. People will wait out the protest, and can go back to browsing Reddit again. They have to change something in their flow if they wanna keep using Reddit on their phone, and it's gonna change their experience.

I'm using whatever app/platform can provide in terms of usability and content. Once Boost (or any other third party client) stops working, I'll probably stop using Reddit too.

[–] Jeom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think prob half of the people who give lemmy a chance, I think we're just a vocal minority, most people who post on Reddit and the enthusiasts that give a damn about design and shit, so that's why a ton of subs a going dark, but most of the people probably don't care, some of them are still going to join lemmy(hence the 50%) but there just isn't enough content

changing to lemmy has completely changed how it use this type of app, 70% of the posts were pics/vids, but here there's a bigger focus of text and the amount of pics are closer to 20%

[–] postgeographix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I am still lurking on reddit, while using Lemmy. Frankly, Lemmy is pre-Eternal September, so everyone is nice and the community is cool. But reddit is still a massive repository of info. I think once we hit July and my 3PA goes offline, i will be mostly on Lemmy. Suspect this will be the case for most lemmings.

[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As much as I want fediverse to become the norm, the thing is that it doesn't really matter if users switch over - content creators have to switch over. It's the same reason why Mastodon isn't very relevant, very few large names actually moved from Twitter.

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[–] sam@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like Lemmy (like mastodon) has already achieved enough activity to continue regardless of what happens. Users may go back, but this place will remain somewhat active going forward.

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