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[–] panbroggi@feddit.it 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope Russia will leave like in Afghanistan, finally ending the war.

[–] Barsukis@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well it did take 10 years for them to backpedal in Afghanistan... I hope here it happens sooner.

[–] panbroggi@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago

That's right. Let's hope the situation solves much faster!

[–] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The tenth anniversary of this war is next year.

[–] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How will that happen and how will that end the war? Ukraine wants Crimea which is 100% Russian.

[–] Barsukis@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% by what metric? Unironically curious, lol

[–] specters@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think they call it the "reality metric". Russia owns and occupies the land and makes the laws there as they have for the last 10 years. The citizens who live there overwhelmingly consider themselves Russian.

Political power grows from the barrel of a gun, so to speak.

[–] Barsukis@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Whether they consider themselves Russian is a slippery slope of an argument --and not only because I doubt you have trustworthy sources to back this claim. There are many regions in the world where minorities or even significant local majorities consider themselves separate nations.

If your argument that political power grows from the barrel of the gun is to be followed, then there's no problem with Ukraine using said power to take over Crimea, should they have that capability. That kind of follows from your own logic.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, exactly. Those who didn't consider themselves Russians have been purged long ago, forcibly deported and driven out from their lands since the early Soviet times.

Tatars and Ukrainians have been targets of ethnic cleansing since a long time in Crimea, and therefore Russia should be granted the land as a prize. Just like with ~~Koenigsberg~~ Kaliningrad, it's very easy, if you kill and deport everyone in an area, then that area is yours.

[–] Rando@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My god, is lemmy infiltrated with Russian sympathizers worse than other platforms?

[–] gaytswiftfan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

yes!!! they're everywhere and anytime I see someone bring it up someone comments some shit about having an open mind.... uhhh no???

[–] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

A common pattern among Reddit alternatives has been that their initial population has been some particular group that has been driven out of polite company for some reason. Voat had the Incels and Trump supporters, for example. Lemmy happens to have been started by authoritarian fans. The difference is that Lemmy is open and finally the "normal" Redditors are coming. So I expect them to flood out the niche folk soon enough.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well a good offense is a good defense. I’m not surprised that this is happening at all and I don’t think anyone should be.

Had there been a time in history where the world sided with aggressor?

[–] Raphael@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It began many days ago but he doesn't want to admit because they were losing so far.

He only admitted it now because they started winning.

[–] MrPozor@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would he have announed the counteroffensive? It would only have helped the Russians. He's declaring it now because it is obvious. And because the offensive is making gains as you say.

[–] SineNomineAnonymous@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure Russia doesn't rely on news briefs and PR moves to know about that sort of things.

[–] YellowtoOrange@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Because you expect them to tell the world and rhte russians when they are attacking?

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