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Anarchism is a social and political theory and practice that works for a free society without domination and hierarchy.
Social Ecology, developed from green anarchism, is the idea that our ecological problems have their ultimate roots in our social problems. This is because the domination of nature and our ecology by humanity has its ultimate roots in the domination humanity by humans. Therefore, the solutions to our ecological problems are found by addressing our social and ecological problems simultaneously.
Poetry and imagination must be integrated with science and technology, for we have evolved beyond an innocence that can be nourished exclusively by myths and dreams.
~ Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom
People want to treat ‘we’ll figure it out by working to get there’ as some sort of rhetorical evasion instead of being a fundamental expression of trust in the power of conscious collective effort.
~Anonymous, but quoted by Mariame Kaba, We Do This 'Til We Free Us
The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.
~Ursula K. Le Guin, The Lathe of Heaven
The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
~Murray Bookchin, "A Politics for the Twenty-First Century"
There can be no separation of the revolutionary process from the revolutionary goal. A society based on self-administration must be achieved by means of self-administration.
~Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism
In modern times humans have become a wolf not only to humans, but to all nature.
The ecological question is fundamentally solved as the system is repressed and a socialist social system develops. That does not mean you cannot do something for the environment right away. On the contrary, it is necessary to combine the fight for the environment with the struggle for a general social revolution...
~Abdullah Öcalan
Social ecology advances a message that calls not only for a society free of hierarchy and hierarchical sensibilities, but for an ethics that places humanity in the natural world as an agent for rendering evolution social and natural fully self-conscious.
~ Murray Bookchin
Collective days off are simply a more efficient way to spend time together. Even in an anarchist society we might decide to take time off on specific days to spend time with our friends and loved ones. Likewise, we do have to get certain things done even if they're miniscule with all the automation. School would also be a factor with the off days for school probably on the same days the parents choose.
So we're still gonna have Mondays. We will just hate them less.
Many of us need to take days off to spend time alone instead. That could reasonably offset the mutual Monday effect especially if people work less in general
80% of everything sucks. It'll keep on sucking after anarchy. The only difference is the drive to do the sucky work comes from within, so "I hate Mondays" becomes more of an adulting exasperation.
Unless you have fully automated luxury anarchism you have people working and for a lot of things working in a team is just the way to go. So yes most realistic societies will have Monday. Shitty work has to be done and as you are just not going to be able to have all tasks done by somebody who likes doing them.
That being said without capitalism we can rethink how we use the machines we have and just produce less. We are already able to produce more then enough to give a good life for everybody on the planet. For rich countries halving the workweek is already entirely possible with easily meeting everyone's basic needs rather well. You have to reduce a lot of waste though, like most cars, packaging, flying and so forth.
Also people will probably go to some kind of education. So that is not going to go away. Any society needs skilled people and they need to be taught somehow. So some kind of school would have to be around.
We might need a community meeting at the start of each work week so that we can update each other on everything and make any decisions that need to be made. So that could be pretty groany. Probably dependent on the quality of the snacks. Which will depend on the season, your local ecology, and whether you have some good snack-makers in your tribe.
tl;dr: snacks.
I did not want to steer the discussion into a specific direction by having my own take be the main focus, but I will put write it as a comment.
I would love to have "mondays" just removed lol. For me the biggest problem with mondays is that they stand for work / school / whaterver kind of thing you have to do. And those things very often are a thing seperated from what I would call living. I did not go to school because I wanted to learn or because it helped me learn things in any kind of self determinated way, I literally had to. Work is pretty similar, I work because I need money to survive not because the things I do at work actually have any meaning to me or because thats how I would want to contribute to society. I would rather do / learn more demanding or harder or more tasks / things if it actually was to the benefit of me or my community or the world. That would actually feel like living.
So by abolishing work and school I guess we would abolish "mondays" too. If I have to get up on monday its not my revolution
shutout to !antiwork@slrpnk.net btw
You sound similar to me. For me, every day was "Monday." Even when I had jobs filled with work I enjoyed and people I liked, I never once felt that it was preferable to any of the dozen or so other things I'd like to be doing. The best jobs, regardless of the actual work and people, were those located in a place I wanted to live and with the combination of pay and hours that let me pursue my own interests.
I was a computer programmer (something I always did as a hobby) working for an amazing company with amazing people (before it got sold to investor types). I thought that was a great job.
But it was the salt mines compared to moving to the lakeshore and taking a job looking after a small village where the work itself was some of worst I'd ever done and the people were no great shakes either.
The commute was pretty much traffic free past fields and trees. Get home, stroll down to the shore and spend 20 minutes or so fishing for supper, successfully often enough. Enough time, money, and mental energy to devote to learning new things through online classes. Building, outfitting, and using a shop. Snowshoeing or canoeing practically on our doorstep instead of having to pack up and drive somewhere.
I could see a revival of Saint Monday, but otherwise there will always be a day of the week where people resume working. I don't think the current "Monday culture" would continue to exist though
I would like to think that there would be less of a divide between home and work in a Solarpunk world. The Monday effect comes from people feeling like they must only live for the weekend because that is their real life versus work which is not. It will all be a part of your life. I don't think people would work all seven days - I still think there is a place for a secular sabbath [the need for times of rest, recharge, and relaxation]. But people wouldn't feel like their sabbaths or rests are like thirsty people in the desert finding an oasis.
What if we stopped thinking about time in terms of days of the week and just use the date instead?
Today would just be the 29th of Dec. Why do we even need to name days? And why only 7, then we restart? Why not two weeks of 15? Or 6 weeks of 5? It seems arbitrary.
Thats actually something I thought about recently. My whole life seems to be cut into 7 day pieces and that really annoys me. Idk if there is a solution that fits everyone but achieving a more individual way of structuring time would be great.
Well, think about a four day work week with Wednesday off work. When's "Monday"?
You just doubled the (probably more my) problem hahaha, Now we have monday and monday2 (former thursday).
You’ve had Monday, but what about Second Monday?
