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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 145 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Imagine looking around that classroom and thinking "All is right with this".

[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 66 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Not just "all is right". They see this and think "this is what God wants."

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If this is what the God wants, he is a real dick then.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 98 points 6 months ago (100 children)

If you raise your kids to believe in Allah you are setting up your grandchildren to live like this. Oppose religion, wherever you see it.

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[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

No where in Islam does it say that girls are not allowed to study, what a fucking bunch of dimwits these people are..

Edit: Narcissist would be the right word here

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

rampant misogynists would be appropriate too.

[–] lilsolar@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Infact, in thr quran, Allah encourages everyone to gather knowledge.

These fuckers are making a mockery of Islam

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[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

not true

However, some scholars who interpret Islam as not allowing women to leave the house also interpret it to mean not allowing them to go to school.

These scholars might take this verse about the family of the Prophet to mean that this is the ideal example to follow for all women:

Koran 33:33:

Settle in your homes, and do not display yourselves as women did in the days of ˹pre-Islamic˺ ignorance. Establish prayer, pay alms-tax, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only intends to keep ˹the causes of˺ evil away from you and purify you completely, O members of the ˹Prophet’s˺ family!

Islam has onerous rules about female segregation and these could be used by folks to prevent girls from going to school. Aisha tried to circumvent the rules regarded segregation by using the adult breastfeeding loophole to make people her mahram.

Here's the origin story of adult breastfeeding:

Hadith:

A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) laughed. Reference : Sahih Muslim 1453a https://sunnah.com/muslim:1453a

Aisha having to go to such extremes to make people mahram for her shows that segregation was a really cumbersome problem and would possibly restrict the ability of women to leave the home to get an education.

The other wives of Mohammad were not onboard with this adult breastfeeding loophole and these verses were lost according to Aisha:

Hadith:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Grade: Hasan

Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1944

In my opinion Islam doesn't promote critical thinking regardless of gender. Click here for more on that.

Mohammad called women deficient in intelligence over rules that he himself had cooked up in this hadith:

Hadith:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 304 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:304

A muslim group like the Taliban could use this hadith to say that resources should not be wasted on women and that boys should be educated and women should be confined to the home to carry out household chores which are more in line with their level of intelligence.

In summary, girl's education is not prohibited directly but the segregation/hijab/hadith denigrating women's intelligence can allow some muslim groups leeway to restrict their education.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It isn't about religion with any of these types. Rather, it's about religion being a tool they can use so that those who do think it's all about religion allow them to have authority.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago

Absolutely reprehensible and repulsive. Sick fuckers are so scared of women that they will not let them be educated. Fuck those backwards ass sexist monsters. Indefensible

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago

religion sucks, conservatism sucks. that shit is so old.

[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago

Fucking incel losers, this Taliban.

[–] CCL@links.hackliberty.org 38 points 6 months ago

learning is never over. No matter how hard authoritarians try.

[–] hpca01@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (10 children)

This is exactly what the alt-right Christian fucks want. I'm surprised that they don't realize how much in common they have with the Taliban.

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[–] Thirdborne@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'll never forget, a few years into the war I asked what my Afghani colleague thought of the war. He told me "I hate the Taliban. When I was a boy they came to my village and slit all the men's throats. NOT a few of the men. ALL of the men." Leaving those people to suffer that regime was a greater crime than any we committed in the 20 years of occupation.

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[–] Mazdak@lemmy.org 20 points 6 months ago

No words to describe this stupidity.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

My initial thought experiment on this was "could these girls migrate to the west on a visa to complete their studies and return?", and then I went down the rabbit hole of the demographics of Afghanistan. Of a population of around 40m, 46% are under 15, which is mad! That's potentially a lot of girls that will lose an education.

I wonder if a remote education could be the way forward? Let these girls study remotely online, assuming they have some form of internet access available, and create a worldwide visa that would allow any Afghan girl that can pass a standard entry exam to attend university. While we have no need to provide children from another country an education, this would probably be a low-cost solution, and one that I imagine many rich philanthropists would happily provide as a grant.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This solution sort of implies that the Taliban would allow it. Like the whole system over there isn't designed to crush these women as a form of control. It's not a lack of ability to educate them this is by design of their government.

For a visa like this to work you'd need the government and the Men of the country to be in agreement with it happening. That currently isn't the case. Providing a visa that almost no one will be able to use even if they wanted too would not only not help but could easily be something that's pointed to as "we're already providing a way for them to get educated and we don't have to do anything else."

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 16 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In September 2021, a month after U.S. and NATO troops withdrew from Afghanistan following two decades of war, the Taliban announced that girls were barred from studying beyond sixth grade.

The Taliban have defied global condemnation and warnings that the restrictions will make it almost impossible for them to gain recognition as the country’s legitimate rulers.

Last week, U.N. special envoy Roza Otunbayeva expressed concern that a generation of Afghan girls is falling behind with each day that passes.

Last week, an official in the Education Ministry said Afghan girls of all ages are allowed to study in religious schools known as madrassas, which have traditionally been boys-only.

In another part of Kabul, 13-year old Setayesh Sahibzada wonders what the future holds for her.

Analyst Muhammad Saleem Paigir warned that excluding women and girls from education will be disastrous for Afghanistan.


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