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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 206 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is literally why we have apex predators such as wolves. They help clamp down on the old and the sick so that prions (mad cow disease) does not spread to other species or humans. It cannot infect wolves.

When you kill off all the apex predators, like when Montana governor Greg Gianforte authorized the massacre of 100 wolves, you see explosions of extremely dangerous diseases and land degradation as deer damage tree roots, gardens, meadows, streams, and farms.

Not only that, but killing members of wolf packs causes their families to fall apart and everyone to scatter. That means wolves alone. Which cannot hunt pack animals which require coordination. So then they go after the easiest meal: dumbass farm animals who have zero survival instincts and whose ranchers no longer employ people to look after the herds in great enough numbers like the olden days. The cycle then perpetuates, as mad-cow contaminated soils spread and spread....

[–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Damn.... It's almost like we should leave mother nature the fuck alone

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The more we learn, the better it will be for all species. We'll figure it out eventually... or die out

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Die out. Look at the weather patterns. We done fucked up.

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[–] otterpop@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't infect wolves? I'm no expert here but I don't feel like a vertebrate mammal with a brain could be completely immune to prions. Do you have any more information on that claim?

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's in the OP article. They haven't found any infections yet, and it doesn't appear to affect them. Apex predators have, prior to human intervention, always hunted the old, the young, and the sick. Mother nature appears to have found a way around apex predators all dying from disease to balance the environment.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can't.... Infect.... Wolves?

You do know that prions aren't living things right? They don't "infect", they are a physical change to a compound (protein) that spreads to other similar compounds it touches. It's not a virus, or a bacteria.

Unless wolves lack the same proteins that deer also have? Usually this is a mammal thing, not a species thing.

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[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 137 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If a mad-cow-like disease jumped the barrier to humans and began spreading through Americans, the main problem in eradicating it would be that basically no one would be able to tell the difference from the average 'Enthusiastic' Republican Voter and someone whose brain is melting due to an actual pathogen.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Lucky for us prions do not spread except via ingestion...

Realises that we wanted to eat the rich

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

We’re actually not sure about that. Some prions do spread by eating the meat of infected animals, but I think we can be pretty sure that’s not what’s happening in a wild deer population. Prions can also be found in the environment, including deposited on grasses and plants, where that can last a very long time.

We do not know if this disease is or will become communicable to predator animals or what the potential is for environmental spread to livestock. We do know a bit more about the BSE than some others, but there’s a bunch we know exist that we know little to nothing about, and it’s guaranteed there’s more out there that we haven’t encountered yet.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Deer can and do eat meat when available

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Occasionally they do consume meat as far as I know (as several herbivores do), but if that were a serious candidate it would be among the principle lines of transmission being investigated.

Zoonotic diseases are investigated by cross-disciplinary teams with experience ranging from public health and disease experts to wildlife biologists and ecologists. I did some work on a similar topic with the National Parks Service so I know a bit about how these are approached. I have no involvement with this and I’ve never worked on prion contagion models - like I said, we just don’t know. But I do have experience in the area.

Prions have been found in soil, on grass and plants, and do not get quickly degraded by sun and rain. We do know that this disease is density dependent, so you’d need a model of deer going carnivore and cannibal in a density dependent natural model, which is not a phenomenon I’m familiar with.

So what I’m saying is that we just don’t know what the deer-deer vector is or if a predation vector exists as a secondary transmission or if one will appear.

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[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just eat the meaty parts, avoid the brain and spinal cord and you're all good.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that the brain is the part you want to splatter all over the Italian marble floors of their mansions.

New plan live butchering so that the brain and spine is still intact and no need to worry about Mad Bougie disease.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I don't think enough people are eating venison regularly for a this prion to be a serious threat even if it manages to transmit to humans

[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have you seen zombie movies? It only takes ONE unassuming hunter... and then it immediately mutates into blah blah magic nonsense ensues...

and then it is airborne, and bloodborne

...

You are correct of course. =P

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Shoot an infected deer in the head or have it otherwise die violently on the ground. Prions can last in the soil for years and years. Misfolded proteins are basically invulnerable, even in shit like autoclaves. If cows eat grass that has prions on them, that shit could potentially jump. And a lot of people ranch their cattle on public lands where infected deer are, and where wolves are unavailable due to politicians, who would otherwise prevent infected deer from spreading.

The best thing that we can do is have wolves clamp down on the few infected deer immediately rather than generate large pools of infection that then start cross-contaminating domestic livestock. Prions and ebola are the two things that really keep me up at night.

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[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 11 months ago

Deer arent eating venison regularly enough to explain the rate of its spread among deer.

Its moving through them someplace else. Which means if it jumps to us, its moving through us someplace else too. And we dont actually know for sure how its moving through them.

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[–] senorblackbean@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From the little I’ve read on this it appears that the infectious cells favor a functional brain so that means all maga evangelical republicans are safe.

[–] shunir@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

That's not really a good news though. ;(

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Without reading, is it Chronic wasting? I just checked in on that the other day and the CDC didn't seem to think it was a big deal unless you are in a hotzone.

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah. CWD a big problem but it isn't going to cause a zombie apocalypse like the headline implies.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Prion diseases can take decades to show symptoms, like with CJD, and are very hard to test for in humans.

It might not be a question of whether it can jump species barriers, but when we will know it did, which is why the CDC can't and won't ring any alarm bells, just advise caution, until it's either too late for individuals or a confirmed non-issue.

There was a study that claimed it had jumped to chimps/monkeys in a testing environment but last I heard it was disputed, but that still leaves the average citizen with plenty of reason to not

Checks notes

Eat a diseased animal.

Source your venison, it should be tested if it's from an affected area but you never can trust suppliers for wild game.

Consider just eating, you know, cow, or only venison from a trusted source.

Preferably the person that shot and had it butchered.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (33 children)

Consider just eating, you know, cow, or only venison from a trusted source.

Preferably the person that shot and had it butchered.

Eat the person who shot the deer? Dang that's some extreme veganism.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 11 months ago

Turn about is fair play 😤

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[–] yourNewFavouriteUser@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

who had zombie invasion on their 2024 bingo card?

[–] Astronautical@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Honestly, natural disaster/Apocalypse has been on mine since 2021

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's always on my bingo card. i am a very hopeful person.

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[–] Coldgoron@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Add it to “What else can fuck millennials?” pile.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A particularly concerning illness for me.

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[–] otterpop@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I believe it's made the jump into a certain species of monkey in a lab environment last I knew, but the jump to humans hasn't been seen and isn't a given. This is a clickbait title. If you're hunting game, make sure to get it tested with samples taken at a wildlife check station before consuming and you're likely safe here.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I see we are lining up for a great 2024

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

scientists raise fears it may jump to humans

Who says it hasn't? I mean, have you looked at our politics lately?

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

POLITICS! Amiright folks?!

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Oh its totally fine it's not like we've made the planet warmer allowing viruses to mutilate easier and for longer or like how we haven't been taking part in a centuries long destruction of the deers native habitat forcing them into populated areas right?... Right?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Prions sounds like a very tiny, evil shrimp

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[–] WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah here we go! We all wanted a zombie outbreak and all we got was corona lockdowns. This is more like it! Bring it on!

/s

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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[–] Davel23@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Can't say this is entirely what I expected from 2024, but I will say it is completely on-brand.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

It'd be an improvement for some people.

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