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At recent Congressional hearings on federal bank regulators’ newly proposed rules to force the largest banks in the U.S. to hold more capital against their riskiest trading positions (so that taxpayers aren’t on the hook for more bailouts), the banks and their sycophants holding Senate and House seats made it sound like it’s the American farmers who will be hurt because the derivatives they use to hedge against crop failures or price swings in their crops will become more expensive..

We knew this was a completely bogus argument because the latest data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicates that “agriculture, food, and related industries contributed roughly $1.264 trillion to U.S. gross domestic product (GDP) in 2021….”

In other words, U.S. farmers need to hedge less than $2 trillion while just three mega banks on Wall Street were holding $157.3 trillion in derivatives as of September 30 of this year – which is $56.74 trillion more than the GDP of the entire world last year. (See chart above.)

If the bulk of these derivatives aren’t being used by farmers and business owners to hedge against losses, what are they being used for? According to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), the federal regulator of national banks, the trillions of dollars in derivatives at the mega banks on Wall Street are being used for trading – likely for the benefit of the banks themselves or their billionaire speculator clients, such as hedge funds and family offices.

According to the OCC, as of September 30, JPMorgan Chase (which lost $6.2 billion from its federally-insured bank in wild derivative trades in 2012) is still allowed to sit on $54.4 trillion in derivatives. Citigroup’s Citibank, which blew itself up in 2008 from derivatives and off-balance-sheet vehicles and received the largest bailout in global banking history, is sitting on more derivatives today than at the time of its crash in 2008. OCC data shows Citibank with $35.6 trillion in derivatives on September 30, 2008 (see Table 1 in the Appendix here) versus a staggering $51.3 trillion as of September 30, 2023. Goldman Sachs, whose federally-insured bank has just $538 billion in assets, has $51.6 trillion in derivatives. (In what alternative universe from hell would Goldman Sachs be allowed to own a federally-insured bank?)

Then there is the matter of concentrated risk. According to the FDIC, as of September 30, there were 4,614 federally-insured banks and savings associations in the U.S. – the vast majority of which found no need to involve the bank in derivatives at all. But, for some inexplicable reason, three banks with highly dubious histories have been allowed to establish insane levels of concentrated risk in derivatives. The $157.3 trillion in derivatives held by JPMorgan Chase Bank, Citibank and Goldman Sachs Bank USA represent 77 percent of all derivatives held by all 4,614 federally-insured financial institutions in the U.S. (See chart below.)

Derivatives Held for Trading at Commercial Banks

The chart at the top of this page shows how this derivative problem has grown since the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. The repeal removed the ban of casino trading houses on Wall Street merging with federally-insured banks. Today, every giant federally-insured bank on Wall Street owns a trading house. In 1996, prior to the repeal of Glass-Steagall, derivatives at U.S. banks represented just 63 percent of world GDP. At the end of last year, derivatives at U.S. banks represented 189.92 percent of world GDP.

To prevent a replay of the banks blowing themselves up as they did in 2008 while their federal regulators were napping, federal banking regulators in July proposed to impose higher capital rules on just 37 banks – those significantly engaged in derivatives and other high-risk trading strategies.

The backlash has been fierce, with the mega banks even running television ads painting a bogus and distorted picture of what the capital increases would do.

Another critical question is who is on the other side of these derivative trades with the mega banks and may blow up if they took the wrong side of the trade?

According to federal researchers, there are both mega bank counterparties as well as “non-bank financial counterparties” – which could be insurance companies, brokerage firms, asset managers or hedge funds. There are also “non-financial corporate counterparties” – which could be just about any domestic or foreign corporation. To put it another way, the American people have no idea if they own common stock in a publicly-traded company that could blow up any day from reckless dealings in derivatives with global banks.

This is not some far-fetched fantasy. Wall Street has a history of blowing up things with derivatives. Merrill Lynch blew up Orange County, California with derivatives. Some of the biggest trading houses on Wall Street blew up the giant insurer, AIG, with derivatives in 2008, forcing the U.S. government to take over AIG with a massive bailout.

According to documents released by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC), at the time of Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy on September 15, 2008, it had more than 900,000 derivative contracts outstanding and had used the largest banks on Wall Street as its counterparties to many of these trades. The FCIC data shows that Lehman had more than 53,000 derivative contracts with JPMorgan Chase; more than 40,000 with Morgan Stanley; over 24,000 with Citigroup’s Citibank; over 23,000 with Bank of America; and almost 19,000 with Goldman Sachs.

According to the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC), derivatives played an outsized role in the spread of financial panic in 2008. The FCIC wrote in its final report:

“the existence of millions of derivatives contracts of all types between systemically important financial institutions—unseen and unknown in this unregulated market—added to uncertainty and escalated panic….”

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

The derivatives market is a gigantic casino where the gains are egregiously high and the catastrophic losses are subsidized by the taxpayers. The taxpayer dollars are then used to buy out smaller competitors for pennies on the dollar during the massive economic downturn caused by said catastrophic losses.

The truth is the game was rigged from the start.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago

As long as their are no consequences for gambling with other people's money, this kind of behavior will continue.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago

Banks being scummy? Who could've seen this coming?

[–] catch22@startrek.website 15 points 11 months ago

Ponzi scheme with some confusing mathematics to make it appear legitimate.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I believe the dots and commas between numbers are used randomly and cause confusion.

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is correct by US standards. When writing the number out we use commas to separate the millions and thousands places like this: 4,500,000. But when we abbreviate large numbers with a word we use a decimal place appropriately in this way so the same number would be: 4.5 million.

In some but not all of Europe they might write the same number with periods where we use commas so they would write 4.500.000 but they would write the abbreviated version the same.

Yet other places around the world would only use spaces instead of commas or periods and write 4 500 000.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We knew this was a completely bogus argument because the latest data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicates that “agriculture, food, and related industries contributed roughly $1.264 trillion to U.S.

in one of the first paragraph there's written "We knew this was a completely bogus argument because the latest data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicates that “agriculture, food, and related industries contributed roughly $1.264 trillion to U.S."

1.264 trillion means:

1 264 000 000 or 1264 000 000 000

?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The second one. 1.264 trillion means about [1 and a quarter] trillion = 1 trillion + 264 billion, not [1 thousand 264] trillion = 1 quadrillion + 264 trillion.

Think of it like kilometers. In most of Europe you'd write 4,5km to mean 4.500 meters. In the US and UK, the , and . are swapped.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

1.264 trillion means:

1 trillion 264 billion. Or 1,264,000,000,000.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Currency and numeric formatting works differently by location, it looks consistent and correct for US formatting.

Personally, I think it's high time for a new global standard on this that abandons the dots and commas altogether, using new symbols so nobody can complain that it's unfair that only some people have to change. But that's... very unlikely to ever happen, for no good reason.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Huh, I thought a space instead of a coma or period was the standard. Ex: 1 000 000

[–] Xer0@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

Never in my life have I seen that format.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

TIL Digit grouping style variances are even more fucked than I anticipated. International Bureau of Weights and Measures along with International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry uses spaces, but different countries use commas or dots and some use spaces and comma OR dot?

Fuck this, we should redo the whole numeric system. Burn it all down and start from scratch.

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Burn it all down

Big banks: We're working on it!

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Fingers crossed. Thoughts and prayers.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

you can be assured that no matter what we choose America will legislate that whatever they're using now is defined in law by the new standard while people are free to ignore it, just like metric.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Printing money is great fun but as soon as America fails to force the petro dollar on everyone to trade the cardhouse is going to ceash down.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think so. Many other first world economies work similarly without the same influence. There will be a reckoning but not as catastrophic.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only reason that America can print unlimited dollars and "not go bankrupt" is because the rest of the world is forced to use the monopoly dollar money to buy oil.

If it doesn't affect the rest of the world anymore then all those fictional dollars America is printing will hyper inflate their own economy directly instead of just inflating the dollar for everyone worldwide

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

During covid, every country invented new money and suffered inflation. Including the USA. Some suffer d inflation less, like in Asia. Some more, like uk.

Yes, they have more scope to print money but not unlimited. The petrodollar is powerful, but more and more countries have bilateral trade agreements. More and more oil is used, but less as a percent of the global economy.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I see the "giant pool of money" has gotten even more ridiculous.