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[–] MajesticSloth@lemmy.world 164 points 11 months ago (6 children)

When this was posted before someone who followed it fairly closely and others like it, updated the thread with info because the article was behind current info. They had already stopped the trials for MS because it wasn't working. So they began to just focus on one other, the Crohn's, I believe. Figuring if they got one to work, they could go back to the others and get them on the right track.

I have MS, and while this is a new approach, there have been so many articles about treatments that end up going nowhere after the first excitement. So it is still very early to get hopes up.

Hope can be a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane, as Red said.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago

Is it possible that other person was just full of shit?

Here was an update posted on Sept 12th, 2023 from the company behind the trials regarding the MS trials:

Anokion has completed patient enrollment early in the second and final MAD cohort of its MoveS-it (Multiple Sclerosis Study of ANK-700 to Assess Safety and Immune Tolerance) clinical trial to evaluate ANK-700 for the treatment of patients with multiple sclerosis. MoveS-it is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled Phase 1 study evaluating ANK-700 for the treatment of patients with relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis (RRMS). MS is a demyelinating disease of the CNS, in which the immune system attacks the myelin sheath in the brain and spinal cord. RRMS is the most common type of MS, characterized by recurring episodes of new or worsening symptoms. Anokion has designed ANK-700 to re-educate the immune system by inducing antigen-specific tolerance to myelin-based autoantigens to reduce neuroinflammation in the brain and spinal cord.

Safety data from both the SAD and MAD cohorts supports that ANK-700 is safe and well-tolerated at all dose levels tested through the dose escalation period. Further, preliminary biomarker data from the MAD cohorts displays trends in antigen-specific immune tolerance and evidence of bystander suppression to related myelin antigens, which is critical to treating complex autoimmune diseases like MS.

The study will continue with a 12-month safety follow-up expected to complete in the first half of 2024. Anokion anticipates reporting full results from its MoveS-it clinical trial in the second half of 2024.

This says that the single dose (SAD) phase 1 trial which began in 2020 was completed and they moved on to the second multiple ascending dose trial (MAD) for MS which completed enrollment and expect results in 2024. And that the preliminary data from the first MAD trial indicates therapeutic response.

And the press release talks about how they've moved on to a phase 2 trial for its use for celiacs (the initial trial use case). And then on Oct 12th they announced they will be presenting data from their phase 1 for celiacs at a conference.

A week after the announcement quoted above they released the news about their peer reviewed paper mentioning the early success in both (what likely inspired OP's article), saying:

We have now observed our approach play out in the clinic with early data from our lead programs in celiac disease and multiple sclerosis, KAN-101 and ANK-700, that demonstrated antigen-specific tolerance, bystander suppression, and an impact on disease-specific biomarkers.

None of this looks like a company that has a failing drug on their hands. And there's no indication of the MS trial being ended early - the only thing that happened early was completing enrollment early.

Being too ready to give up on hope is its own kind of insanity.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

T1 diabetes here. A cure is just 5 years away...

They told me, when I was diagnosed in 1992.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It always 5 years if properly funded. It's never properly funded so always 5 years.

They are testing an artificial pancreas currently. The cost is the issue as always.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

We can genetically engineer bacteria to mimic the missing pancreatic cells, and it's not too different to the way most insulin is produced as all that's new is the system to stop producing insulin when blood sugars are already low enough. However, if you put them in a person, the immune system attacks the bacteria, so they need isolating. To do that, we need a membrane that lets sugar in and insulin out, but doesn't let antigens or live bacteria out, and doesn't let immune cells in. Even if the bacteria are held in place, if immune cells can get in, it's no better than a pancreatic transplant as you'll still need immunosuppressants, and they're generally worse than dealing with type one manually. Development of the membrane keeps hitting unexpected hurdles, so artifical pancreases are still unable to start trials, and then they might take a decade.

There are other approaches, e.g. using electronics to control photosensitive insulin producing bacteria, but they don't have any advantages (the membrane still has to let sugar in so the bacteria can eat) and have more things that can go wrong.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Commercially viable fusion is always 20 yrs away so keep your chin up

[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Well damn, I got MS too but caught it fairly early. I'm hoping for a major breakthrough before it gets really bad.

[–] Lycerius@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I came for the Orange reference, but was not disappointed by Red.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 months ago

So, if I understand this right, a more accurate title would be "Research into vaccines against autoimmune diseases continues, new data indicate that a change of focus might be needed"

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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Website I've never heard of: check

Wild claims that seem too good to be true: check

Little to no proof about said claims: check

Don't get me wrong, this would be fantastic if it's true. But I'm sceptical. It feels like all those articles about a cure for cancer that then never go anywhere.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Here's the article that should have been posted, except of course that it's a few months old and nothing new has been reported on it yet that I know of. https://pme.uchicago.edu/news/inverse-vaccine-shows-potential-treat-multiple-sclerosis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

like the good ol r/science

this place is going doooown

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This sounds quite exciting and it doesn't smell like bullshit.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably extremely affordable at 3 million a pop for 5 shots.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Easy hack. Get a bunch of more affordable health care services during the year until you reach your out-of-pocket max, then go in and get your 3 million worth of shots all on the insurance company's dime with zero extra cost to you.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Your claim was denied, due to the insurance provider classifying this treatment as elective or cosmetic, not life saving.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I see you’ve interacted with the American “health insurance” extortion racket.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Or do this one first to max out your out-of-pocket with the one copay, everything else is "free" all year.

"" because you're still paying premiums

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Article from September. First I'm hearing of it...

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If we assume for a moment that it works as advertised - what is it that makes this a vaccine? To me it sounds like a cure or treatment.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The creators call it an inverse vaccine. A vaccine causes the immune system to recognize a compound to attack. This treatment causes the immune system to ignore a compound it had previously recognized. So they are specifically saying it's not a vaccine (and OP is misrepresenting them), even though that word is in the phrase, something roughly like antivenom is not a venom.

Thanks for the additional clarification!

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is not a cure for the reasons others in this thread have stated. It doesn't repair damage already done, it only prevents the disease from advancing. That's still a huge deal, though.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

But when it comes to type 1 diabetes the cause is the body destroying beta cells in the pancreas and everything else is a symptom of that. If you can make the body "forget" killing beta cells (like the article states the anti-vaccine would, or rather teach the body to not kill) then it would make sense for the body to recover and repair the damage done.

Wouldn't it then be a cure?

[–] NMBA@mstdn.ca 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

@be_excellent_to_each_other @m3t00
Vaccines have evolved from prevention/mitigation to now include treatment, and ideally cures.

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So skimming through the link, it's a vaccine because it's still triggering a specific body response to fight the illness as opposed to directly attacking the illness itself? Is that a reasonable layman's summary of why it's called a vaccine?

(Old x'er here, Vaccines have been preventative for as long as I've ever known, that's the reason for the question.)

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The article says the immune system has a mechanism for teaching it not to attack every time there is a damaged cell via a process in the liver. They are saying they can take a protein, say myelin, and attach it to a sugar called pGal, and it will get ported to the liver where it will also get "trained" to not attack myelin. Then the immune system shouldn't attack nerve fibers as in MS.

So I guess it qualifies as a vaccine as it is involved in training the immune system though in this case to NOT attack something.

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[–] luna@lemmy.catgirl.biz 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Oh fuck yes! I hope this works so badly (living the nightmare with crohns)

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same here friend. The disease is rough and hits everyone differently. Hope you’re doing alright with things tho :)

[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would give anything to be rid of this disease. I haven't slept a full night since 1996. And the pain... And it always seems like nobody understands. 'Oh him? He just poops a lot, ignore the doom and gloom.'

[–] NMBA@mstdn.ca 4 points 11 months ago
[–] Dhs92@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago

I wonder if it also applies to ulcerative colitis...

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Only "ten more years to cure diabetes"

-Science 30 years ago

[–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

This still wont cure diabetes, but it will prevent it from developing or advancing if you catch it early enough.

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[–] Downcount@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

In my understanding this could reverse the autoimmune reaction to Type 1 Diabetes not regrow the already killed β-cells.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Call me when the human trials give a positive return

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[–] chaosppe@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Awesome, I have an autoimmune desease that can possibly paralyse me in future. I hope progress can continue 🙏

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if a similar technique could be used to reduce organ transplant rejection.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Same but allergies.

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[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What about Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Graves' disease?

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's a bold claim there, dennis

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds pretty advanced. I bet they won't be able to activate the mind control chips until 6G cell services launch.

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[–] MisterChief@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I remember seeing something on reddit about this earlier this year iirc. Definitely exciting and I certainly hope there is credence to this. Would love to see auto immune disorders go by the wayside in the next couple decades. Once they fix all the real bad ones I hope they make one for vitiligo, I'm tired of 70 spf sunblock and weird looking tans.

[–] Bransons404@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Is this the "T1D cure in 10 years" I was promised 21 years ago?

[–] dunz@feddit.nu 5 points 11 months ago

This looks promising, way more promising than any other cure for MS I've read about

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