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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Starbuck@lemmy.world to c/vinyl@lemmy.world
 

I have an older turntable, Philips GE 212 form the 70’s, that I got from a relative. I’ve had to do some modest repairs so far, and I’m still getting more surface noise than I think I should be hearing. Just an occasional pop every once in a while. My most recent project was replacing the needle I came with (AT DR300e) with a newer cartridge (AT VMN95e). I thought that was going to be then end of it. It does sound very good, a lot of depth, but I still get the pops.

I have a little record brush, and I don’t see any apparent dust. The air is pretty dry because it’s cold here and my heat is running.

I’m worried that there might be something wrong with how the cartridge is connected to the head shell, because it has these flimsy connectors that don’t hold tight anymore after 40+ years. The Philips 212 has a distinctive head shell, and I can’t find replacement wires. I wouldn’t be opposed to replacing the head shell next, if it’s necessary.

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[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Have you tried with new vinyl or old ones? If you have any new ones try them out, it makes a huge difference. If you have older ones like from a relative, they might have been "plowed" with some bad old needles, like ceramic cartridges which used to be more popular in the past and which require much more weight by design.
Also is your brush anti-static? Static electricity can often be the cause of pops.

I think in the end, even with new, clean, static-free vinyl, it'll still have a significantly higher noise floor than a CD/mp3/YouTube/etc...

Edit: no comment regarding the headshell because I'm not familiar with that kind of design but looks fine from the pictures.

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, we have a mixture of old and new vinyl.

Do you know how real the burn in on a new stylus is?

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you know how real the burn in on a new stylus is?

Can't say I "know". Like I haven't taken the same cartridge, ran it for a bunch (but not too much!) to burn in, and then did a blind AB comparison with a brand new one to listen for differences.

Personally I don't believe in any kind of audio equipment burn in. I don't think manufacturers put out a product that would require the user to burn in the equipment for hundreds of hours before reaching its max potential. I think it makes sense that they'd want to release the product in an excellent state to impress potential buyers and reviewers.

To me it sounds like typical audiofool quackery but you can test it out and draw your own conclusions, or you can choose to believe in a little magic if that's what makes you happy. Won't hurt anyone but your wallet :)

[–] baconeater@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I think some of the super high end cartridges will certainly open up after being broken in. Things like this video go through the first hundred or so hours of the Hana Umami Red.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Have you cleaned the records? That's where you will see the biggest improvement. Beyond that I can recommend a rubber record mat. You can pick one up on Amazon for $10-$20.

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I thought I could attach more than one image. new cartridge, notice the white ground that i had to hold in with a sleeve

original cartridge

[–] jrp@hub.kliklak.net -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just get a decent record player with an Ortofon ;)

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I’m certainly leaning that direction. Some of those Fluances look really nice.