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[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"Don't install this app! It's from a Chinese company! The Chinese gubmint will steal and collect all your data!"

Even if it was true why do liberals care so much that a government from a country on the other side of the globe could have any data about their person? Do they really think that the CPC holds any amount of power over some kid living in Iowa?

I barely care that a government thousands of kms away can have any of my info. What I care is that that info is in the hands of a government that has the power to actually carry out any actions or reprisals against me.

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The national security threat is purely hyped up because western companies spy on you for western intelligence and allow western intelligence manipulation of the feed of someone in the US or Finland but also importantly allow spying on and manipulation by psyops of someone in Vietnam, in Cuba, in Russia, in China, in Africa. Chinese companies will not do that. They will not give them global back-doors. They will cooperate to the extent required within the US or other NATO nations on spying on their users or manipulation as required by law but they will not allow global manipulation and dominance which is what this and the freak-out about Chinese 5G is all about. It's about making sure western intelligence controlled software, platforms, hardware is the global standard to compromise everyone everywhere, not about keeping the west secure from spying or influence.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 10 months ago

Logic was never a big part of racism.

[–] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Whenever Americans accuse the Chinese government of doing something it is likely the American government who's actually doing it

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 10 months ago

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[–] Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

It's always projection from them lol

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only gamers, Redditors, and unhinged liberals actually give a shit. The popularity of TikTok shows that most really don't care as long as the treats are good. That's why the US has to try and ban it to keep them from growing.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does TikTok give info to the Chinese government at all though? Its American data is stored in data centers in the US (not China) and it uses Oracle for cloud stuff. If anything, it's leaking data to the American government.

[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

They store info from people who sign up to be a monetized creator, that's good to know. Though if the US has a problem with it, then that's the fault of their Committee on Foreign Investment who negotiated that deal in the first place.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 10 months ago

(need checking) iirc apple alone is bigger than the top nine chinese tech companies, so the "chinese giants" are just another cheap scare tactic by imperialism

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In their defense, no company - even from AES states - should have access to this much data.

And before you downvote, yes Western companies are far worse in this regard.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

How about this: spying and any other nasty digital behaviour from any party is bad. US or China.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Muh both sides! Muh both sides! Don't you know both are equally bad?!?!?!?! Sure, the west is bad but we can totes trust them when they say that China is spying on us though, they'd never lie to us about that.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not pointing fingers saying anyone in particular is spying or being an otherwise evil party here, you've extrapolated that from almost nothing.

I think you'll find I'm primarily critical of American companies as that's who I have the most interaction with and it's the most prevalent in my society.

All I did was say that anyone who does spying or other nastiness on their users is bad, giving examples of two major players. And if you believe that spying and such on users is wrong, that's not an unreasonable statement.

So either, you believe that this stuff is actually fine to do to users as long as it's "your team" doing it, or that it's wrong no matter who does it (and in this case, there'd be nothing objectionable about what I said).

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ooh, keep going! Please! I love hearing identical conversations from people who claim to be anti-US and anti-US companies, yet always wrap around to "The US is bad, but their enemies are worse so we should support the status quo and not actually challenge the system." The last 100 times I was given this exact same argument you've just given didn't work, but I'm sure if you just keep going and say the exact same identical unoriginal stuff about me being in an echo chamber it will finally get through to me!

Call me a redfash tankie or something, or say "The US isn't perfect but it's better than the alternative" Say the line Bart!

Actually, you're more the sort to say "I'm done with this conversation, I'm not going to be insulted." aren't you? You don't have anything of value to say but you can't admit it to yourself, so you'll try to smug away from the conversation to protect your own ego. I've seen it all. You're not the unique special free thinker who is better than everyone else you think you are. You are not immune to propaganda. But you've convinced yourself you are, even if you won't admit it.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You have just pulled basically every part of your comment from nothing. I wasn't going to say any of that, nor have I ever said any of that.

I recognise you're trying to bait me into replying with the "if you don't reply, it's really because of x" tactic, but lucky for you I was going to reply anyways.

Now, I can't speak on changes to the wider system as a whole as I admittedly do not know enough about the whole political system to make comments on change, however I absolutely don't want to maintain the status quo (not American, by the way).

I will speak on the world of technology, and I absolutely think it needs change, everywhere. China, the US, everywhere. I believe technology and the dominant proprietary software now are predatory, anti-user, anti-community, and serve megacorp and government interests only. Hence the surveillance, which is done by both, for slightly different reasons (mindless profit vs tracking and crushing dissidence). https://gnu.org/philosophy pretty much matches my beliefs about technology if you want to read more.

As a side note, I am very thankful for the Lemmy and ActivityPub developers for challenging proprietary software and dis-services and writing free, federated replacements, and you should be too. They are the reason we are able to debate here, and they're helping to fight the hostile tech landscape, one step at a time.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I admittedly do not know enough about the whole political system to make comments on change, however I absolutely don't want to maintain the status quo

Hey computer toucher, why don't you go on one of their news websites and find the guide to how China's democracy works? Don't you like manuals?

Yes we know you like Stallman. Of course you do. We're all like this. We just wanted to get free movies and stop comcast, and now we're knee deep in the BLOOD. THE FUCKING BLOOD.

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[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

dude, chill out. he said that data collection is harmful whether it's being done by the u.s. or china. obviously it's less impactful due to the data being collected and stored overseas. whether or not you think that statement is redundant is a whole other discussion. please, you're just making an ass of yourself.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Even mario party?

[–] PunsNRoses@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

The difference is that China cant do shit with my information because I don't live there, but the US absolutely can weaponize that against me.