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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What about the rising cost of housing? Is that going to change when we don't have any regulations against corporate capture of housing?

Conservative protection of corporate greed is destroying our economy. The long-term solution is to remove conservatives from positions of influence. I'm not sure that's something that can be done peacefully.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's one of the things that has to happen in order for housing costs to come down. The first battle is getting inventories up, and this will encourage people to sell and builders to build. Additionally, there are steps (federally and at state and local levels) to block or disinsentivise corporations from buying everything as soon as it hits the markets but those measures are largely untested.

Once there's inventory there's still work to do, but none of that work will matter without the inventory.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I really hate to break it to you, but supply isn't the issue, at least not the way you're implying. There's more than enough empty housing for every single person in this nation.

The primary issues are extreme amounts of land/property being bought up by investment firms only to sit empty in order to artificially drive supply down and only higher end housing being built new due to profit margins.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's what the second half of my post was referring to.

[–] Alto@kbin.social -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The point is the inventory is there. It's been there. Anyone telling you "we need more supply" is blatantly lying, either because they've been lied to or because they have an agenda

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This also indicates that a greater supply won't fix the issue if we already have an appropriate supply. These corporations will just buy up new houses the same as they did with the old ones.

Furthermore, lower interest rates mean higher home prices as you'll have more people competing for the houses when everyone (including wealthy corps) gets free and easy access to loans.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The inventory is not there. It's the lowest its been in decades. If corporations own a house and they're letting it rot it is still not available and thus is not inventory. I've been in RE tech for 15 years and our databases have never been this empty.

We generally measure inventory in months and considered 6months worth of sales to be the minimum requirement for a buyers market. We're currently measuring it in days in may cities. Inventory is so low we had to add a 3rd type of market as this market is bad for both sellers and buyers. This is an investors market.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I don't care what the official term, at all. If its empty housing, it's inventory. If you're sitting on empty housing because the rent isn't high enough for you, you're part of the problem. We have the housing. We also have limitless amounts of greed and selfishness.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago

Those are lovely thoughts; unfortunately not pertinent to what we're talking about. The bottom line is the properties are not a available for purchase and the only force in the country likely to change that in the short term is a major recession. People can't buy it, so it might as well not exist.

Remember, this is a country that legally requires restaurants to destroy billions of calories of perfectly good food and subsidizes farmers to let more food rot in fields all while children starve. Money being more important than lives is the basis of our economy. Corporations will only change if its more profitable to do otherwise or they're force to by legislation. And half the government is pulling out every legal maneuver in the books to stop it any law changes. It sucks, but you have to see it to change it.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

Remember "The economy" is the the rich peoples feelings index. It long ago divorced from the needs and wants of the populus at large.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is something going wrong with my link or is this just a picture, not a link to an article?

[–] CheeryLBottom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's working for me. Maybe it was fixed?

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Interesting, I do now see this website listed as the destination of the link where there was nothing before: https://mazdak.com/p/fed-rate-cut-expectation

But when I click on it I get a "Secure Connection Failed" error. That could potentially be an issue with my office firewall though.___

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is there an article to this?

[–] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

A picture of JPow is the article

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Bold of them to assume the economy is in any way solid with food theft on the rise due to manufactured inflation.

[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes the economy is very solid with roughly 1/4 of the population having a significantly negative net worth, another quarter of the population at roughly 0 net worth, and then something like I dunno 500,000 people having net worths over half a billion.

Very very solid foundations for late stage capitalism to transition into techno-feudalism.

Remember when the average 30ish year old American /owned/ where they lived?

Anyway, lets keep building low income housing... but mostly age restricted only for retiring, sundowning Boomers.

Their children can just die on the streets I guess, who cares!

At least the boomers will have the comfort of dying alone and hated (by their children and caretakers) in old folks homes rife with elderly abuse.

Millenials /might/ be lucky enough to survive the one two combo of climate change and peak oil leading to fertilizer and thus food shortages with an an averaged life expectancy of 65, allowing them to live out their roughly 5 Golden Years approximately a decade after Social Security will have gone bankrupt.

Or, even better, possibly Social Security will just be eliminated even earlier by insane Republicans that are voted in by their loyal followers who apparently dont realize or care that they themselves will die without it!

Is going long on 'panicked worldwide mass migration' a valid stock market strategy rofl?

Not like I can afford to invest anyway...

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

Twelve million children in this country experience food insecurity.

Twelve.

Million.

What a fucking joke of a country. Fuck any economy that allows that.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As ever, when referencing the economy, they're referring to private shareholder profits exclusively.

Their job is to keep making the rich richer full stop. Emergency loans in bad times go to them, under the blatant lie it will eventually be pissed down to you because they're so benevolent amirite? When inflation makes the value of their dragon hoards decrease, when capital battery workers gain leverage with employers, better incentivize layoffs to keep the cattle in their place.

The fed exists to work against you. Their metric for a "good economy" is ego scores for our narcissistic owner class going up faster. The fact they did so well by laying off legions of laborers that helped them succeed in the first place is irrelevant, as you don't qualify as people at all, not with that net worth, peasant.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html