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submitted 11 months ago by Lanky_Pomegranate530@midwest.social to c/atheistmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

I’m hetero but still think this is pretty damn funny!

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Woah. This is actually a rip off of the logo of an original musical produced in Mount Vernon, WA in 2019 called Pray the Gay Away. https://ptgashow.com/

The show was actually about the trauma that gay conversion therapy causes and how we should be allowed to be ourselves no matter who we love. We sold out almost every show. The music is amazing and the show was very powerful. It's interesting to see people now stealing the graphics from our small local theater! Honored and angry actually. Small world.

Pray the Gay Away® takes place in 1980’s Minnetonka, Minnesota and shows the collision course of two boys being subjected to the controversial practice of gay conversion therapy, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod that says “homosexual behavior is intrinsically sinful”, a Youth Pride LGBTQ support group fighting for human rights, and the local community caught in the middle.

[+] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works -6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I shouldn't need to qualify myself with this statement but I definitely still do: I am strong in favor of LGBTQ+ rights

Now my actual point: This type of divisive stuff actively contributes to the rising conservatism in our youth. We would be foolish to think the reason for the rise in conservatism is simply that the bad guys are succeeding, it is also because the good guys are actively failing.

The 150 millisecond dopamine hit from dunking on your perceived political opponents is not worth the generations-long division it contributes to.

[–] centof@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The cause of the divisive stuff is not jokes like this on a t-shirt. It is the rise of misinformation and disinformation enabled by social media. It actively promotes divisive posts because it is what grabs the attention of people regardless of if it is true or accurate.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like I said... You are giving examples of their side succeeding. I'm pointing to this as an example of our side failing. Two problems.

[–] centof@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Of course. I agree with your point conservatism is rising because of divisive stuff is out competing accurate information. I am simply saying the root cause of it is social media's algorithm and their intentional amplification of divisive stuff. A joke on a t-shirt imo can actually help combat against the rise of division because in real life people are not really divisive and will actually talk about topics in a real and reasonable manner without the divisiveness of the internet.

A joke like this a powerful way of getting people to think about how shitty religion's takes are by simply changing who it refers to from gay to straight.

[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

This isn't a dunk, it's a joke.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This type of divisive stuff actively contributes to the rising conservatism in our youth

There is literally zero evidence of this.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling you spent zero minutes searching for evidence of this.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The burden of proof is on you, champ

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Had nothing, huh? Figures

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm just kind of over this because clearly nobody is changing their mind on anything here. Replying to replies to my original comment has been a tremendous waste of time.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I asked you to change my mind by presenting evidence.

But fair enough, we can agree it's run its course.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago

I would have had a lot more energy to discuss this if it was just you and me but having the same or similar convo like 5 times in parallel with people who are far more obstinate has totally exhausted me

[–] PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"I hate the gays because a t-shirt had a joke I don't like"

What the fuck are you talking about?

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't remember typing anything like that, sooo... What the fuck are you talking about?

Don't put quotes on something that isn't a quote. It makes you seem dishonest.

[–] PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My point, you disingenuous pedant, is how is this satirical t-shirt going to lead to kids becoming more conservative?

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You really think me pushing back on you trying to paint me as blatantly homophobic is disingenuous pedantry?

"I love genocide" -PM_me_your_vagina_thanks, 2023

Cool, right? Don't push back, that would be disingenuous pedantry.

If you wanna actually discuss then actually discuss. If you're going to start your argument like a child then don't be surprised when you're treated like one.

[–] PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

lmfao, sure thing, dipshit. Nice avoiding the topic at hand.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why do you feel entitled to a certain kind of response when you start the dialog like an asshole and continue to act like an asshole? If you go through my recent comment history you'll see that I'm doing my best to engage and provide a thoughtful response to everyone except you. Don't pretend I'm the problem here.

[–] PM_me_your_vagina_thanks@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

Still avoiding giving any kind of answer lmao