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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The companies paused adverts after an investigation by a US organisation, Media Matters for America, flagged ads appearing next to pro-Nazi posts.

In a fiery interview on Wednesday, Musk also used the "b" word - bankruptcy, in a sign of just how much the ad boycott is damaging the company's bottom line.

Mark Gay, chief client officer at marketing consultancy at Ebiquity, which works with hundreds of companies, says there is no sign anyone is returning.

When Musk puts chief executives "in his crosshairs" like this they will be even more reticent to be involved with X, says Lou Paskalis, of marketing consultancy AJL Advisory.

Jasmine Enberg, principal analyst at Insider Intelligence, adds: "It doesn't take a social media expert to understand and to know that publicly and personally attacking advertisers and companies that pay X's bills is not going to be good for business."

According to the New York Times, which got hold of the pitch deck Musk was giving to investors last year, X was supposed to bring in $15m from a payments business in 2023, growing to about $1.3bn by 2028.


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[–] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It won't fail because of money. Musk has enough money to fund it out of his petty cash forever.

If it fails, it will fail in the same way the newsnet failed - it becomes full of angry old men screaming about Israel and guns.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Does he have the desire to do that, though? It seems more likely to me that he’d sell it first. All of the attention it’s created seems to be something he desires, though.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

No. Whoever wrote this doesn't understand bankruptcy.

If things got really bad creditors would take control and sell the business to shareholders who would install a clean CEO who would entice advertisers back.

No one would utter the b-word.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We should be so lucky. But aren't the losses so far not that much compared to the market value?

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Watch the stockmarket. AFAIK it already went down by a third or so.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Asking if X will go bankrupt is not the right question. Elon has many untapped reserves of cash that he could use at any time to continue to pay the bills.

The guy just needs to speculate publicly on a cool sounding idea and a billion dollars in cash will fall out of a tree somewhere. That is his level of social status.

Bankruptcy happens when a company is imminently falling apart because there is no cash and a creditor repossessing things may disrupt other higher priority creditors. Therefore a judge needs to add order to the process which puts a legal hold on a lot of things. Unless Elon has some dramatic personal meltdown way beyond what we've already seen, that's really unlikely.

The real question is... How does Elon plan on making a profit from this thing if he's insulting those who are paying his bills today? He did float the idea of creating a super app that might handle payments and many other features. That has the potential to be a massive profit center if executed with precision. Perhaps the Twitter user base can be converted... Which would mean advertisers are no longer needed.

I would not be surprised if such a thing is in the works and would be announced when it's almost ready to launch.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He can pay for it, but would you dump money into a burning pit over and over and over again, after you already dropped around 1/8th of your total worth into a failure? Especially when you only bought it because you were forced to by law? Musk has been directly asked if he would subsidize it more with his personal fortune recently, and in response he whined about who would be at blame for it going bankrupt. I dont think hes going to put anymore of his money into it.

Even in Twitter's fully profitable years where it made 1.5bil pre buyout, that still would barely service its new yearly debt. That was before he lost 13% of the userbase and 50% of the total advertising, including nearly all of the large advertisers.

His current replacement for losing all those advertisers and 100s of million of dollars? Paid twitter blue, which apprently is about 300k out of 400mil users, or less than 0.1% of total users. As you can imagine, their 30mil/year is not going to make up to the 100s of millions/yr shortfall his behavior has caused.

His "lets be wechat" idea is also ludicrous. He has said that he thinks X can take over 50% of all banking in the world, which by the numbers is all of US, Europe and China combined. This means not only taking over an area that already has native apps that are entrenched and making billions, but also convincing all Europeans and Americans to abandon banks and put their money into an technically unstable platform run by a loud and proud antisemite/racist. This ignores that Americans and Europeans already have "use an app for banking" like google pay and apple pay, but apprently vastly prefer using cc/debit by a ratio of 90%. The apps are already on all our phones, and most no one uses them.

So yeah, his "hail mary" is to eliminate huge, entrenched and dynamic state supported rivals in China, and to change all of the 100s of billion dollar banking landscape in the US/Europe where no one wants an app to do this, all with zero inhouse expertise and a CEO whose technical background is Ad sales.

I have my doubts.

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