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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 235 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"The amount of times she told me that stupid 'I have protest signs older than you in my basement' shit," Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a text that's cited in the book. "Like yeah but mine don't collect dust."

Spicy!!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 109 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago, and like it’s great that they were and it’s ok and good to pass on the torch, but also if society catches up with you and passes you that’s not great. I’ve protested with old people who protested for civil rights for everyone in the 60s into the 20s. I admire and respect them because they didn’t stand still watching the future pass them by. But Pelosi seems to not get that we built on what she did and she was always welcome to progress with us.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 46 points 9 months ago (5 children)

We could have had Bernie 🥲

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

DNC misread the room. It was populist season, and only one populist ran…

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

So infuriating. Reminds me of a guy I chatted with who was involved in the civil rights protests. He was in opposition to BLM protests because he felt like a lot of the claims about racism were imagined. Essentially "yeah we fixed all that, everything is fine now." Me: . . .

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago

The reason I'm glad John Lewis is no longer my Congressman.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think Pelosi was above being petty. She was a dish when she was younger, and AOC is pretty easy on the eyes too. AOC is no shrinking violet and speaks her mind. I would not be surprised at all if Pelosi was trying to keep an attractive younger "upstart" in her place.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 14 points 9 months ago
[–] Sentau@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

She was a dish when she was younger

What does this mean¿?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

"Dish" is very old slang for "attractive."

This is her, much younger.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 148 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

IMO it became very evident very quickly after Trump became president, that Pelosi was extremely bad for the Democrats. Pelosi actively prevented Democrats from acting on issues that had a clear majority and great significance.
It's absolutely a plus for Democrats that Pelosi is finally out.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 107 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Her insider trading was also drawing a lot of heat. Now we've all forgotten about it!

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Not with you reminding us of it! Goddammit.

Alright, everybody gather around and look steadily at this little flash light.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Neoliberals do neoliberal things

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

We must also not forget that there's a bunch of Republicans that made even more profit than her doing the same thing but they never get talked about! Politicians should only be allowed to invest in total market ETFs!

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Pelosi had to actually pass legislation so she needed every vote by hook or by crook, and AOC was among the crowd that needed to be cajoled often.

Jeffries has only been in leadership as the minority leader so he can just oppose most legislation from the Republican House, and it's not like AOC is going to want to somehow oppose it even harder. He doesn't need to do the cajoling.

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have to agree. I am not a fan of Pelosi, but she was effective (so long as what she was doing was makingbthr right people money).

I really don't get why she is running again though. Guess she wants to keep getting that juicy inside info for her stock portfolio.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

There is no retirement for a lot of people, probably especially rich people. It's not about the money, it's about the job being their main identity. Charlie Munger was a 99 year old billionaire who was still working at Berkshire Hathaway when he died.

[–] DreBeast@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pelosi had some serious contempt for the younger generations. She gripped to power like a military junta. She definitely believed in seniority and made you adhere to the ruling class tradition. Fuck her.

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 50 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Boomers need to go. Its that simple!!

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 13 points 9 months ago

Isn’t she of the Silent Generation?

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Father time is taking care of that just not always as quickly as we hope.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Breaking News: Did you know Nancy Pelosi's a bitch?

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago
[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 9 months ago (13 children)

of course a republican and a democrat wouldnt get along. they have completely different ideals.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'll dare. This is just like Trump's RHINO garbage. Not pure enough for you?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 51 points 9 months ago (9 children)

alrighty. I've watched the democrats sit on their thumbs and do fuck-all for over 40 years. that is the definition of conservative if you remove the fascist parts, which are wholly republican.

they trimmed a conservative love letter to insurance companies by mitt called 'obamacare' and called it a huge win while spending trillions policing the world and telling americans what they can do to their bodies.

current democrats are yesterdays republicans. and pelosi? what a conservative cunt.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you need some education. Review this woman's career and ask yourself honestly how conservative she seems. If what you read on the following page sounds like a conservative to you, I think your definitions are skewed as fuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You have said the actual truth.

Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives ... because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism. The fact they sometimes slow Republicans down is nothing but the coincidence of having someone who doesn't vote ENTIRELY in lockstep with the Republicans.

Progressives like AOC being in the Democrat party is nothing but a consequence of our shitty two-party system. I'm positive neither of those fucking ghoul parties would be in power if we had a proper voting system.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism.

They're literally white moderates.

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Because neoliberals always sell us out to corporations. They're moderate Republicans fiscally when it comes to helping the public.

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[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd argue it's fair in both cases.

The two parties are big tent parties, often hosting people with disparate opinions on the same issues. The Squad is as Democratic as Pelosi...even though the latter uncritically supports Israeli genocide.

Similarly, the House Freedom Caucus is as Republican as Mitt Romney, even though the latter want to invade Mexico "to stop drug cartels".

That's kinda the whole problem with the Republican and Democrat parties: they take a bunch of nuanced political views and then basically turn it into a yes/no poll. I intend to vote for Joe Biden again, but I'm more AOC than Pelosi. I'm 100% certain that there's a conservative out there that will vote for Trump again that's more Mitt Romney than Jim Jordan. And I don't really think that's a flaw of people, but of the political system itself.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Thank you, this is exactly what @originalucifer is exhibiting. They ignore all of what Pelosi has fought for over the years, simply because she's not as far left as they are. And then they categorize anyone not as far left as them as a conservative/Republican. It's an us-vs-them purity test, designed to sow division, not guild a coalition against actual conservatives/Republicans.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Pelosi was speaking FOR universal healthcare back in the 90s. By the time the ACA was up, she was pushing back against it.

Her words DO NOT match her actions. She is not an honorable person, and anyone who honors her is a brainwashed moron.

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[–] runswithjedi@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I'll bite, what differences do you see that make one a Republican and the other a Democrat?

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[–] TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of the improvement AOC is experiencing could also be due to her becoming a more seasoned congresswoman.

[–] Jode@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

This big time. Hot takes and spicy tweets don't mean dick if you don't know how to translate them into effective policy.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I feel like a lot of things will completely transform for the better when the silent generation and boomers are gone.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

By the time Millennials are in charge the entire political game will be different.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

No doubt. The silent gen and boomers have such a different world view than the rest of the population.

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