No shit, the COP28 is going badly.
Its organised in Saudi Arabia, and the president is a head of a national oil company.
Talk about having a recipe for the disaster.
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Sounds like a good thing. With a recipe like that, you can be confident that everything said there is completely untrue and you should do the opposite of whatever they suggest.
Why are businesses and lobbyists allowed at this sort of conference to begin with? It should be policymakers and scientists.
It must be so frustrating for the scientists who are there.
because policymakers and some scientists are for sale?
To network and make side deals.
I truly wish the meat, dairy, and egg industries would just die already. Consuming animal products in *current year* is silly and completely unsustainable.
This is like, the third evil plan involving Cop28 I've read about this week.
Are we going to hit a critical mass where Cop28 actually ends up really accelerating harming the environment instead of helping?
Yes
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
It is sustainable if we start eating our dead. But I distinctly remember there being a movie about that and people were unhappy with it.
Only one person. Well, one living person.
We need lab-grown meat ASAP
Just doing normal veganism is a far more realistic proposal than everyone eating expensive lab grown meat that tastes rubbish
No it's not. You have no idea how important consuming meat is for some demographics. For some it's a lifestyle for others it's without alternative.
Of course LGM has to become cheaper than regular meat before it's an alternative.
How do you know it tastes like rubbish? Have you tried it?
For the vast vast majority of people eating corpses is not a medical necessity or vital cultural ritual or something, (and no i dont consider just really liking the taste of flesh to be a cultural neccessity). Yes i've tried two of the lab grown meat brands out of curiosity (i think the first was beyond burger and the second one was an impossible burger) and both were simultaneously more expensive than the standard vegan/vegetarian and even the normal meat based versions of the food and tasted worse.
Like i dont think that consuming lab grown meat is evil or anything but I do think theres a lot of people who focus on lab grown meat being too expensive as an excuse for why they're not vegan/vegetarian when its actually pretty mid, like i know a ton of vegans and i cant think of a single one who regularly eats lab meat, most have tried it a few times but no one really likes it too much
Beyond meat and impossible burger is not lab grown meat. Lab grown meat is using stem cells to grow real meat, just not using an animal but in some other way. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
oh ok, i stand corrected on that. the point still remains though that i dont see why people need to wait for lab grown meat to become affordable to just stop eating meat, when imo, even when its cheap enough it still wont be very good outside of certain things like burgers and sausages because of the texture (i.e. not being able to mimic how the fat feels when in between the flesh) not being able to match up to the original.
and even when it does enter the market it will probably only be available for like for upper middle class people for years and years
I get your point and I'm all for vegan diets. but it just won't happen unless meat gets taxed like crazy worldwide. And even before that there will be armed riots if you take away meat from certain demographics. Just look at people going completely nuts once you mention we could introduce one veggie day per week. I just don't see it. That's just how we humans behave...
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Any credible action to reduce emissions in the food sector will inevitably lead to a reduction in the total volume of meat and dairy products produced,” says Nusa Urbancic, CEO of campaign group the Changing Markets Foundation.
Companies and trade groups are told in the documents that one of the ways to “have the most influence” is to “equip delegates with your key messages and solutions”, a list of which are provided in the pack.
Australia and the US are the second and third largest beef exporters globally after Brazil, and their governments have a strong economic interest in supporting the growth of these industries, as well as close political ties with them.
It is a favoured line with many food companies, despite the fact that scientists have said that soils are not a reliable way to store carbon in the long term, and that removals can be easily undone.
GMA works to simplify and distil public information around these events, which is largely complex, to ensure industry understand how and where to engage, having equal opportunity to be heard.”
Ian Scoones, a researcher at the Institute for Sustainable Development, said: “My big fear in all of this debate is that the likes of pastoralists who we work with around the world will get stuffed because they don’t have a voice.”
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This just in, environmentalists discover human-activity is the cause of human greenhouse gas emissions. Only solution they can come up with? Ban humans.
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Sure but that's not what's happening here, they are lobbying to keep doing what they are doing now:
Big meat companies and lobby groups are planning a large presence at the Cop28 climate conference, equipped with a communications plan to get a pro-meat message heard by policymakers throughout the summit...
The files show how the world’s largest meat company, JBS, is planning to come out in “full force” at the summit, along with other big industry hitters such as the Global Dairy Platform and the North American Meat Institute...
Members of the alliance have been asked to stick to key comms messages, which include the idea that meat is beneficial to the environment.
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We may be a similar age. I think you make a very good point, and it's possible.