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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 155 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Kinda weird that they're calling it an OS, but ig they're just trying to cater to the windows audience

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 116 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux is in fact KDE/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, KDE plus Linux.

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 63 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Windows, is in fact, Adware/NT, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Adware plus NT.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 14 points 9 months ago

Adware + New Technology (from the 1990s)

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I finally get this reference! I think this could mean im ready to try Linux again

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[–] killerinstinct101@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (12 children)

KDE neon is what they're selling

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

Selling as in advertising, I might add. Neon is free

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 121 points 9 months ago (9 children)

"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"

- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 32 points 9 months ago (8 children)

With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

[–] Kierunkowy74@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What chmod step?

When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 104 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

I think we have a clear winner here

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (27 children)

But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.

I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.

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[–] ultra@feddit.ro 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Not to mention free as in freedom.

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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 61 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here

[–] oce@jlai.lu 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It is a desktop environment system.

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[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 54 points 9 months ago (12 children)

So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the "Gold standard" for desktop OS's. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.

When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my "Gold standard" and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.

No regrets and certainly ain't switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.

[–] Patch@feddit.uk 23 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I've been a Linux user for a decade and a half now, but still use Windows on my corporate laptops. Honestly, it's baffling how Microsoft seem to consistently manage the miss the mark with the UI design. There's lots to be said about the underlying internals of Windows vs Linux, performance, kernel design etc., but even at the shallow, end user, "is this thing pleasant to use" stakes, they just never manage to get it right.

Windows 7 was...fine. It was largely inoffensive from a shell point of view, although things about how config and settings were handled were still pretty screwy. But Windows 8 was an absolutely insane approach to UI design, Windows 10 spent an awful lot of energy just trying to de-awful it without throwing the whole thing out, and Windows 11 is missing basic UI features that even Windows 7 had.

When you look at their main commercial competition (Mac and Chromebook) or the big names in Linux (GNOME, KDE, plenty of others besides), they stand out as a company that simply can't get it right, despite having more resources to throw at it than the rest of them put together.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

To me it's absurd how Microsoft gets beaten by a free desktop environment when windows is like their main product. They have billions of dollars. How do they manage to not do better?

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft will probably never truly catch up with KDE

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Plasma 6 is approaching fast

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[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 38 points 9 months ago (6 children)

In the newest windows, it is even possible to hover the volume icon and change it with the mouse wheel!!!

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 18 points 9 months ago

Does clicking on it open the mixer, or still the useless menu which should be accessible with a right click instead?

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

KDE had that pretty much since the invention of the mouse wheel.

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.

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[–] RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

Fully based

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

KDE is the best desktop environment.

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago
[–] Titou@feddit.de 15 points 9 months ago

not a kde user but huge respect to them

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 14 points 9 months ago (22 children)

What's plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.

Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.

KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as "KDE" by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.

KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It's now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I'm looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it's worth another look.

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[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 13 points 9 months ago

It's not my primary driver, but I would gladly choose KDE over Windows.

[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (12 children)

What's the current reliable KDE Distro? I've been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu's Snap mandate has been getting annoying.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it's very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Fedora KDE Spin works pretty well

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[–] MaxPower@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Yeah like they (the Windows sheeple) celebrated a CLI package manager as if it was their best invention since sliced bread. Every Linux user was like yaaawwwn... "finally"

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Who in the world celebrated that?

Like, I get the self-reinforcing bubble that Linux communities exist in and all, but... nobody did that.

The vast majority of Windows users are random people that never touch anything beyond the Start menu in their entire computing lives. What segment of the Windows userbase is out there celebrating any features, let alone command line anything? This is not a thing. At least not in numbers large enough to matter.

Sorry, I try not to get involved in these arguments. Frankly, grown adults taking sides on operating systems of all things like it's Sega vs Nintendo in a 90s playground seems very strange but I don't begrudge people finding communities wherever. It's just... you know, come on.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago

As someone who needs to do initial installs on computers with 10-20, I celebrated. It is much easier to type names of the programs and the manager do anything instead of manually downloading installers. But turned out WinGet is really badly done.

As for preferences, for some this is actually Nintendo vs Sega unfortunetly. But don't underestimate moral decitions too.

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