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[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 114 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Actually, the top one is the logo of the chromium browser engine, but the bottom one is not the logo of the Gecko browser engine. That's the logo of SpiderMonkey, Firefox's Javascript engine (Chromium uses V8).

This is the logo for Gecko: Gecko logo

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 87 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's especially moronic that Cloudflare thinks everyone using Tor is trying to DDOS every site.

Do you know how fucking slow Tor is? You couldn't DDOS an Arduino with it.

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

Onion sites get DDOS attacks constantly. That's why Dread has so many backup links.

[–] narshee@iusearchlinux.fyi 15 points 11 months ago

afaik, cloudflare has an option to disallow tor traffic. so the website owner decided they don't want tor

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Not only tor. Any user agent string that has no valid info is marked as not trusted/bot/gtfo

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 73 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I get the joke but I don't have any problems visiting websites. Neither with firefox nor with mull

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago

My wife was recently in school. Almost all the services she used decline to render unless you're using Chrome.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I 100% expect websites to soon start breaking their interface on Firefox. With Chromium blocking the best adblockers, they will be incentivized to nudge people to Chromium browsers.

Didn’t we already see Youtube sneaking in a 5 second delay for Firefox users?

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But I did have issues with some Web SDRs on http://www.websdr.org/ when using Chromium-based browsers

And I wasn't the only one, looking at F.A.Q.:

Q: I'm using Chrome and don't hear audio (on some sites)!

A: Since version 71, Chrome does not allow every website to start playing audio, in order to stop annoying advertisements. Chrome tries to guess whether you want audio or not, but doesn't always get it right. On some WebSDR sites, you'll get an "audio start" button, on some you don't.

If you don't get audio, try the following:

  • At the top right, click the 4 vertical dots, and then Settings.
  • At the bottom, click Advanced.
  • Under "Privacy and security," click Site settings.
  • Select "Sound"
  • Select "Add" and enter "http://*"

^(thanks^ ^to^ ^K9GL^ ^for^ ^these^ ^instructions)^

Note that the above effectively disables Chrome's "autoplay" policy for all http sites.

^Although^ ^stopping^ ^automatic^ ^sound^ ^from^ ^advertisements^ ^is^ ^a^ ^noble^ ^idea,^ ^I^ ^think^ ^Chrome's^ ^autoplay^ ^policy^ ^is^ ^fundamentally^ ^wrong.^ ^Instead^ ^of^ ^trying^ ^to^ ^guess^ ^what^ ^the^ ^user^ ^wants,^ ^the^ ^browser^ ^should^ ^simply^ ^ask^ ^the^ ^user^ ^whether^ ^he/she^ ^wants^ ^to^ ^allow^ ^the^ ^page^ ^to^ ^play^ ^sound^ ^(and^ ^remember^ ^that^ ^for^ ^later^ ^visits,^ ^of^ ^course).^

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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only think I can't do in FF is flash an esp32. It's the only reason I have chrome installed.

[–] thehatfox@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

There are multiple dedicated ESP32 flashing programs available for most operating systems, there should be no reason to use any web browser to flash a microcontroller.

The fact this even needs to be said says a lot about modern web browsers, and software development in general.

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[–] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Do we, as an industry, have such short attention span, that we forgot how Microsoft abused their monopoly in the 1990s to force everyone to use Internet Explorer? Now that Google is doing the exact same thing, nobody seems to mind.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because the tech gigacorporations have literally spent the last three decades brainwashing us into accepting shit like that and even convincing us that it's better this way.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 11 months ago

Not better. No one thinks anything is better, just that we don't have a choice but to take what they serve.

[–] snoopfrog@midwest.social 11 points 11 months ago

I remember using Netscape (my Google keyboard didn't know that word) before Firefox and SeaMonkey. I mostly used SeaMonkey to edit HTML and Firefox for my casual browsing.

[–] qupada@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Those of us who had to develop websites and make them even vaguely functional in IE6 haven't forgotten.

Dark times, those were.

[–] JockerBlack@lemmy.ml 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Now that's a name I haven't heard in ages.

[–] dvdnet89@lemmy.today 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

my company give choice to use Firefox and Chrome and it is mandatory to install those browsers on those computers. But, 95% use Chrome.

[–] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 6 points 11 months ago

My company has basically forced us to use Chrome. It’s mentioned repeatedly throughout our training period.

I haven’t tried Firefox at work yet though but I’m sure it’ll work just fine.

[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's "how it feels" or "what it feels like", not "how it feels like"

[–] ieatmeat@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Thank you! Also "how it looks" and "what it looks like". I see people messing those up all the time

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 11 months ago

Brave isn't doing much better with captchas lately due to having adblocking built in, google is just on a crusade against anyone blocking stuff.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's so absurd. It feels like half of the websites out there actively don't want me to visit them.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago
[–] bobo@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

What is the second browser from the bottom on the right?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 11 months ago
[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

As the other two said, Librewolf. It's basically a very privacy-focused fork of Firefox, where just about all privacy settings are on by default.

[–] MylesRyden@social.vivaldi.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

@bobo @SoccerGod

Now that is driving me crazy, it looks so familiar, but I just can't place it.👿

Found it!

It's Librewolf, a Firefox fork.

https://librewolf.net

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[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't know which websites do that browser discrimination.

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't have any problem with YouTube, and I don't even see any ad. Can you send links? Because the last rumor was just a 5 timeout delay for ad blockers users, not specially for Firefox users.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Appearantly people only read headlines

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[–] SoccerGod@fanaticus.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I suppose you are just trolling. If not, send any links with evidences please.

[–] DBT@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hahaha, I feel stupid taking his response seriously... I should have assumed it was joke.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 11 months ago

Their browser on Android relies on Chromium, on Windows it uses Edge's webview thingy and on macOS Safari afaik

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What's the problem with Firefox? Certainly can't be the speed or ram usage.

[–] odium@programming.dev 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

YouTube intentionally slows down on non-chrome browsers

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

The image says "visiting websites", not "YouTube". And Google does this for several years already, not just since 2023. The new 5 second delay is also happening in Chromium based browsers if you use an adblocker, it just isn't immediately rolling out to everyone yet. See A/B testing methodology.

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[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's no problem with Firefox. The problem is with managers of websites. Because Chromium-based browsers combined account for something like over 90% of global browser market share currently (source: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share), many sites decide to just throw any non-Chromium browser users overboard. The whole thing is quite ridiculous. It makes no sense that Firefox has such a low market share either.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

it's too privacy focused, independent, and earnest at the moment

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