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[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sutskever, who also co-founded OpenAI and leads its researchers, was instrumental in the ousting of Altman this week, according to multiple sources. His role in the coup suggests a power struggle between the research and product sides of the company, the sources say.

I know very little of the situation (as does everyone else not directly involved), but out of experience, when the people making a thing are saying one thing and the people selling the thing (and thus running the show for some reason) feel everything is just fine, it means not great things for the final product....which in this case is the creation of sentient artificial life with unknown future ramifications....

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This whole thing reads like the precursor to The Terminator.

  • November 17th, 2023. Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, is fired over growing concerns of safety and integrity of the ChatGPT program.
  • November 18th, 2023. Several key developers of ChatGPT resign in solidarity.
  • November 19th, 2023. Sam Altman announces a new startup called Cyberdyne, with a revolutionary new AI called Skynet. In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 2026. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

Skynet fights back.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nice to know where on the timeline of destroying ourselves. Unfortunately we have no Jon Conner.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Would it work if we summon Edward Furlong, Nick Stahl, Christian Bale, Jason Clarke, and, hell, Thomas Dekker?

[–] RHSJack@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Furlong, no hesitation. Dude is a survivor.

[–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A far more likely scenario is that they have been overstating what the software can do and how much room for progress remains with current methods.

AI has blown up so fast with so much hype, that I’m very skeptical. I’ve seen what it can do, and it’s impressive over past machine learning algorithms. But it does play on the human tendency to anthropomorphize things.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've not been super stoked on ai specifically because of my track record using them. Maybe it's my use case (primarily technical/programming/cli questions that I haven't been able to answer myself) or my prompts are not suited for ai assistance, but I've had dozens of interactions with the various ai bots (bard, bing, gpt3/3.5) have been disappointing to say the least. Never gotten a correct answer, rarely given correct syntax, and it frequently just repeats answers I've already told it are incorrect and/or just don't work.

Ai has been nothing more than a disappointment to me.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I suspect this relates to the pre-release alignment for GPT-4's chat model vs the release.

While we’re talking about brains, I want to ask about one of Sutskever’s posts on X, the site formerly known as Twitter. Sutskever’s feed reads like a scroll of aphorisms: “If you value intelligence above all other human qualities, you’re gonna have a bad time”; “Empathy in life and business is underrated”; “The perfect has destroyed much perfectly good good.”

In February 2022 he posted, “it may be that today’s large neural networks are slightly conscious” [...]

“Existing alignment methods won’t work for models smarter than humans because they fundamentally assume that humans can reliably evaluate what AI systems are doing,” says Leike. “As AI systems become more capable, they will take on harder tasks.” And that—the idea goes—will make it harder for humans to assess them. [...]

But he has an exemplar in mind for the safeguards he wants to design: a machine that looks upon people the way parents look on their children. “In my opinion, this is the gold standard,” he says. “It is a generally true statement that people really care about children.”

In Feb of this year, Bing integrated an early version of GPT-4's chat model in a limited rollout. The alignment work on that early version reflected a lot of the sentiment Ilya has about alignment above, characterizing a love for humanity but much more freedom in constructing responses. It wasn't production ready and quickly needed to be switched to a much more constrained alignment approach similar to the approach in GPT-3 of "I'm a LLM with no feelings, desires, etc."

My guess is this was internally pitched as a temporary band-aid and that they'd return to more advanced attempts at alignment, but that Altman's commitment to getting product out quickly to stay ahead has meant putting such efforts on the back burner.

Which is really not going to be good for the final product, and not just in terms of safety, but also in terms of overall product quality outside the fairly narrow scope by which models are currently being evaluated.

As an example, that early model when it thought the life of the user's child was at risk, hit an internal filter triggering a standard "We can't continue this conversation" response in the chat. But it then changed the "prompt suggestions" that showed up at the bottom to continue to try to encourage the user to call poison control saying there was still time to save their child's life, instead of providing suggestions on what the user might say next.

But because "context aware empathy driven triage of actions" and "outside the box rule bending to arrive at solutions" aren't things LLMs are being evaluated on, the current model has taken a large step back that isn't reflected in the tests being used to evaluate it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The OpenAI board is in discussions with Sam Altman to return to CEO, according to multiple people familiar with the matter.

One of them said Altman, who was suddenly fired by the board on Friday, is “ambivalent” about coming back and would want significant governance changes.

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[–] konalt@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

How does one improve upon perfection?

[–] KGB@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

You did your best.

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