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[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm re-opening the discussion after having read through the threads and dealt with comments. If you believe I've missed something or discussion devolves again please file a report rather than attacking the offender. I'd rather not lock this thread again as this is an important discussion to take place.

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  • There was a commenter asserting that poor people were poor due to lack of intelligence or education.
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  • This was not because their view was unpopular or because they didn't immediately change their mind based on what other people thought.
  • This was because they were spreading a misinformed view that was highly offensive to people suffering from poverty, especially in almost all cases when it isn't their fault. Even more so in this case where the target of the scam was disabled.
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[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Temporarily locking this post since the discussion is getting a bit out of hand

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago

The post is now unlocked, please see other comment for more info

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

i feel like a proper disability benefits system would simply not deduct the money from her account, and also threaten the company with criminal fraud charges

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Usury laws should be applied to everything in the scummy industry targeting poor people. This shit, payday loans, consumer finance, all needs to be heavily regulated to avoid predatory behavior against the poor and disabled.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a scheme originally developed by the Howard government aimed to help Indigenous Australians pay off larger purchases but I somehow doubt their good intentions given the type of person John Howard was and is. In theory, it could be useful for income management but it needs to come with significant protections otherwise it's just predatory.

[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

and we all know how much Howard cared about indigenous australians. Whether noble intent or not, the net effect is punitive and demeaning

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Fine them for everthing they've got, then charge them the same prices for items to rebuild their life

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