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[–] macattack@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

Fuck a corporations but let's not act like piracy is the modern version of Robin Hood or righting a huge injustice

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

I mean yeah it's selfish, but it is definitely righting a huge injustice:

There is literally no customer centric way to watch these shows, or most modern media at all. Where can I literally buy shows that I can then resell. Where can I get a subscription service that's focused on giving me the best content possible and not trying to squeeze value out of me by influencing what I watch or selling my metrics or up selling me to a bigger plan after killing the previous plan or any number of other dark practices. Where can I buy DRM free offline files of these shows so I can watch them on an airplane on my own hardware without Internet?

It's fucked up that there is literally no way for people to buy their entertainment and not be fucked over more for trying to do it the legal way and spending money. And piracy needs to exist as a breaking point to stop these companies from getting even worse.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

If you are a gullible consumer whose devices are always connected to the internet, you don't notice you're getting a worse service. Unfortunately, way too many people are falling for this.

Luckily, at least PC gamers are largely outspoken about DRM and there are pretty popular platforms that cater to them. But console games and media (other than some e-books)? No end of DRM in sight.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

at least PC gamers are largely outspoken about DRM and there are pretty popular platforms that cater to them

I fear the day that's no longer the case. Feels like gaming is becoming more "proprietary platform first" with every year.

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[–] SitD@feddit.de 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a proud pirate, but I'll never be a proud data harvest free-for-all resource. there is no glamour to any of this, but I will patiently await a reasonable offering. in the music industry it also worked. as well as the video game industry. you can easily buy honest drm free games

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 32 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It is civil disobedience, which I think is a valuable part of a functioning society.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

It's more like Civil Disobedience on account that Copyright is an entirelly artificial construct (the idea that you can't copy - not take, just copy, with your own resources - something is pretty anti-natura, which is especially obvious in the more traditional domains like storytelling) and even the one reasonable rationalle for it - that it incentivises creation in a way that enriches society - has been entirelly nullified by making the entering of copyrighted works into the Public Domain take longer in average from the time of creation than the lifespan of the longuest living human ever: it mainly enriches a tiny fraction of people, not society as a whole, even though the costs of compliance are bourne by society as a whole.

It's about not obbeying unfair laws in a way that doesn't harm anybody and only damages the interests of those whose gain comes entirelly from the unfairness of said laws: so not selfless like a Robin Hood situation, but also not the pure selfishness of trying to get more than others.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Hollywood put billions into the next generation disc, blu-ray, and you would still pay extra at Blockbuster for being late if it wasn't for piracy.

While piracy isn't without problem it is the closest we get to "supply and demand". Piracy balances the scale.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At some level it happens due to people wanting stuff for free... but if it's the consequence of that is that works are preserved and disseminated, that's more valuable for our culture than when companies vault them and lose them, or when they never release them at all, like Warner has been doing lately.

One might say that these companies have all the right to make these works unavailable, but this is clearly a situation where the "proper" is more detrimental than the "clandestine". After all, the way these companies handle it, when the ridiculously excessive copyright length is over and the works are supposed to cease their artificial monopoly and be returned to the Public Domain from which everyone takes inspiration, there might be nothing left. A DVD is unlikely to last 100 years.

This is not a matter of life and death but culture has its value.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most people don't have the understanding to fully appreciate the consequences of the current system of "free" services. That's why it's the job of governments to put robust consumer protections in place. The Europeans have been making some moves in the right direction, lately. Unfortunately, they also increasingly have been veering towards totalitarianism in their moves to enforce mandatory trusted certificates, weakening of encryption and other hare-brained schemes.

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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (10 children)

That was a fun watch. My friends give me shit when I complain that Netflix looks terrible on their huge expensive TV, and yet my pirated content looks perfect every time. I will never pay for a service that delivers a lower quality product than what I can get for free. And like this guy says, I’m a grown-ass man that can afford a Netflix subscription. But why the hell would I pay for a subpar product, when sailing the high seas has always allowed me to watch super-high quality content whenever I want?

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[–] axby@lemmy.ca 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

I may have missed it, but does he (or anyone else) have recommendations for options to simply pay for content and get high quality DRM free files (edit: I mean legally)?

And how much of a pain in the ass is it to buy DVD box sets and rip them? Presumably that’s legal for personal use? Is that the only way? :(

I have some additional frustrations with Netflix:

  • they have removed some shows that I like
  • if you travel to another country, you can’t always watch the same shows— even if you downloaded them within the app
  • they completely remove some episodes: the episode of community where they play Dungeons and Dragons, and (other streaming services) remove the Michael Jackson Simpsons episode.
  • extremely user hostile way to browse content. They always move your list around and show the same show in multiple places
  • I absolutely hate how all these streaming services auto play to the next episode. You can often change this behaviour. But my partner sometimes casts it to our TV and the damn app (Disney+ in this case, I think) changes the interface just as you get to the credits. I want to sit in peace and let the credits play, and discuss the episode. But it tries to shove another one down your throat, presumably to “maximize engagement”. (I get it for content that you’re binging or are re watching. But this is horrible if you’re just watching an episode during dinner and don’t want to have to scramble to stop the autoplay as soon as it ends)
[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Some vinyl comes with a download card for lossless files.

Companies need to make it clear which and I would personally pay full price. As it is I only buy on sale and the cards are a bonus.

Ripping discs sucks but it's a one time thing.

Some of the end credits on netflix are longer than the show. I would kill for auto skip in jellyfin.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe ripping your DVDs is technically illegal because breaking CSS is a violation of the DMCA. It is quite easy to do though. MakeMKV is great.

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

There is actually a DMCA exemption (1201) for ripping DVD's and bypassing the DRM for copyright that falls under fair-use otherwise. The Librarian of Congress has the power to grant these exemptions to the DMCA and grants quite a few other things. Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies

These exemptions are good until October 2024 but just like previously, the same exemptions and perhaps even more will likely continue.

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[–] uzay@infosec.pub 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

For audiobooks I recently discovered libro.fm and it works great. You can use their app to listen to it like any other service, but you can also just download the plain drm-free mp3s. For music there is bandcamp if the artist is on there, but for movies and series I'm not aware of any vendors like that. DVDs I don't see as an option because their file size limit is too low, the quality on a modern TV looks really bad. And Blurays are a whole other level of DRM hell.

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[–] Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Autoplay next episode is what many people want.

But Netflix or platform should let users make their own choice and put autoplay in the option/setting.

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[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

options to simply pay for content and get high quality DRM free files (edit: I mean legally)?

Lmao. Heard of geoblocking? My Jellyfin instance has no geoblocking tho. 🙆

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Scam and enshittification as always.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

i like the Google play model where i can pay $3 to download the whole movie before watching it. I also like the band camp model where I'm paying a few bucks to the artist to download the music in whatever format i want. i think this is the way.

[–] pascal@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I don't like Louis very much, because while we're on the same team, he's usually extrem in his opinion, and most importantly, he takes 30 minutes to explain a 3 minutes argument.

But on this, he's right 100% I watched the whole thing! I'm an ex Netflix customer, btw.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Remember when Netflix used Silverlight? Couldn't get it to work on linux back in the day.

Anyways, I don't think this makes piracy completely justified. It just means the best user experience for desktop, or for super privacy related folks, is not supported by netflix. It was a weird self defeating ending to say at the end if it's on netflix only, it's just not worth watching, but also say it's justifiable to pirate.

I think there's a weird sense of irony in being both pro piracy and pro sag aftra. Although they didn't win big, their payout is directly tied to streaming metrics. Piracy instead of streaming is going to screw them.

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