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πŸ‘‰πŸ‘ˆ What if we kissed by the dismantled MIG-29s in the Polish countryside? (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by nuke@yah.lol to c/noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works
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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This sounds wildly implausible, or at least very exaggerated.

I've worked on jets. If you put them in pieces, you are talking months (at least 3-6), to put them back together. Modern jets aren't Legos. They are very complex machines that require testing and fine tuning.

Most flight surface controls and engines parts have flight hour limits that are painstakingly logged so preventative maintenance maximizes service lifetime. When we transferred jets, we also delivered their maintenance history.

When we mothball aircraft, we only remove certain components and basically seal it up. To take it out of mothball and reassemble it, under normal circumstances, you are talking 8 months.

Maybe they surreptitiously transferred aircraft to Ukraine, I can believe that. But if they broke them down into individual parts and said, "Here you go!", the proper response would be, "Go fuck yourself."

I imagine this story started out one way and has just been embellished each telling.

[–] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they just rolled the jets there, took the hubcaps of the fuel inlet off of every one of them (so that they are "disassembled") and then let ukraine know.

So still technically correct and within international arms trade law, but the jets got through without needing too much reassembly.

Maybe put some clingwrap or something over the inlet so moisture doesn't get in.

[–] avrachan@lemmings.world -3 points 10 months ago

So still technically correct and within international arms trade law, but the jets got through without needing too much reassembly.

that's very interesting!!

where can I learn international law regarding the transfer of military aircrafs?

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

Where does it say completely broken down to individual parts? That bit is probably intentionally left vague

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These are russian jets, the ak-47s of jets. You can take one out of the mud and it will still fire.

[–] avrachan@lemmings.world -5 points 10 months ago

only reasonable comment in this entire thread.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

And where did you get those unmarked crates of R-27's?

They fell off a truck. Now stop asking questions.

[–] nuke@yah.lol 24 points 10 months ago

Launch missiles and sell them to Ukraine midflight

We do a little trolling...

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago

You can buy these A2A missiles in any missile shop

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of the beginning of lend lease. Where the us and Canada built a few air strips in the middle of nowhere that just happened to straddle the border.

  1. American factory pilot would fly brand new fighter plane and land carefully on the neutral American side of the runway and drive away.
  2. Somehow, the now abandoned salvage property would get towed to the other side
  3. British pilot in Dominion of Canada gets in and flies to United Kingdom.
[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago

Oops, I'm so clumsy, I left my plane next to your border!

I sure hope no one will take it!! Haha

πŸ₯ΊπŸ‘‰πŸ‘ˆ

[–] AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Came here for this. Need to find an island air strip where we store all the factory reject F35s to host some lost Ukrainian fishermen...

[–] WoefKat@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Whyd they even need the US' blessing? Normally the country that manufactured the arms has a veto but in this case that was Russia. So who cares?

Of course Russia would have vetoed these jets being used against them so it sounds like this 'rule ' doesn't always apply either.

But well done to the polish. Of course they know what it's like to be first on the chopping block, sadly.

[–] AccmRazr@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

It’s written in the post but Poland wanted the backing of the US in the event Russia would attack Poland. They wanted it to be an β€œAllied” decision as opposed to just a Polish decision.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Same reason even major powers like Germany coordinate with the US when it comes to giving Ukraine weapons: the US is the only country in the world at the moment that is completely invincible, so having it share the responsibility is a good idea

[–] avrachan@lemmings.world -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

US invincibility was proved when they won the Vietnam War.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Defending and attacking are two different things. I meant the US cannot be defeated by an attacker.

[–] Imperial_Genesis@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm imagining like they removed one screw from the plane and then called it disassembled and parked it there.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I'm picturing a MiG-29 sitting on blocks with the wheels stacked up next to it.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We could take a walk and you could kiss me on the veranda

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 points 10 months ago

β€œThe lips would be fine.”

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can we send Ukraine some nukes the same way?

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Wow, you've really got this geopolitics shit figured out