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Microsofts new Terms and Service agreement is rather questionable. In short; It does not clarify if Microsoft will use your data to train it's AI.

So Mozilla is calling for arms to sign their petition for Microsoft to give a proper answer! You can sign it here -> https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/microsoft-ai/

Mozillas Context;

Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI? We had four lawyers, three privacy experts, and two campaigners look at Microsoft's new Service Agreement, and none of our experts could tell if Microsoft plans on using your personal data – including audio, video, chat, and attachments from 130 products, including Office, Skype, Teams, and Xbox – to train its AI models.

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, what chance does the average person have? That's why we're asking Microsoft to say if they're going to use our personal data to train its AI.

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[–] nitrogenez@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

my opinion is:... it's obvious. it's microsoft. they do everything to make profit, AI included.

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not defending Microsoft, but isn't that the same for all companies.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

no. especially not in the open source service world that runs 4/5ths of the internet.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago

if the document doesn't explicitly say that they don't.. they do. and even if it did, odds are they do anyway.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why ask when you know the answer is yes?

If the product is free, you are the product. Even when it's not free, you're still the product because data is too valuable.

[–] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

although a good mentality, its not always correct. Also, this isn't just about "asking", it's fighting big corps/tech to be more transparent about their policies.

[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“Open”AI stole the open web and monetized it and made billions , and there are no solid legal consequences. So why Microsoft and other companies wont do the same? I mean Google is doing it and made an empire of it.

[–] NightSprite@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Good question.

For me, there is a difference - I feel differently about a company using stuff I posted on the open web vs messages I've sent on Teams, Skype, etc., which feel like they should be more private. There is probably also a legal/privacy angle for this difference too, for this same reason (?)

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was openai ever open? Or its just a name scheme

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

I've been meaning to look that up for a while

OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft.

Interesting

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if i publish all my personal data myself. What if i also publish with a licence forcing anything that uses it to be opensource?

[–] wmassingham@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Same thing they're doing right now: ignoring the license.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Of cause cos the rules only apply to us

[–] StraightArrow@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] aniki@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago
[–] yoz@aussie.zone 7 points 10 months ago

Signed. Thanks Mozilla and fuck you Microsoft

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm just going to start posting in Esperanto. Even AI won't be interested in learning Esperanto.

[–] sramder@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

They do exist! :-)

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Learning a fake language definitely sounds easier than learning to use Linux.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

Certainly easier than convincing my job to let me put linux on my work laptop.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hot tip: If you're switching to Linux and you're not sure how to do something - ask your favourite LLM AI chatbot for help.

There's typically some terminal command or config file or something that you can do to get what you want, and I'm sure it all makes sense to an experienced linux person, but its not easy to guess what to do as a novice. But since all the commands and such are well documented, you can get pretty good advice from the AI. As usual, it won't be completely reliable - but you can think of it as a bit like asking a tech expert for help over the phone. They know a lot and can help you - but they can't see exactly what's on the screen and they may 'misremember' some details from time to time. So it isn't perfect, but it's certainly good enough to find what you are looking for.

(Or you can just ask a real person. Those are pretty helpful too.)

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Homie appreciate you typing all that but I'm a full time Linux engineer. If anything stuff I have worked on and written has become part of the AI landscape.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Fair enough. I didn't really mean to direct what I was saying at you specifically; rather I was just kind of continuing the conversation.

And yeah, the only reason that the AI stuff works at all is because people have taken the time to write down good advice in the past - which has then unforeseeably used as AI training data (without consultation or compensation...) So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if your work was in there somewhere.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does the pope shit in the woods?

[–] MrJukes@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago

Only if nobody is around to hear it

[–] Fjor@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] hurricane155@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] whileloop@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

I don't even use any Microsoft products but I did it anyway.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Something something spez the hurensohn also jumping in on the same bandwagon some time back?

[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I mean, it is. They keep a list of all your conversations and they are extremely vague about giving a direct reply. Hopefully this does something because, like US congress has itself admitted, they cannot afford to let the same thing happen with advanced AIs that they've let happen with social networks. Transparency needs to be a thing, and not fake "oh yeah I'm all about transparency" then goes out of their way to hide shit under the carpet or gaslight with bullshit when they can't.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

too bad they aren't waiting for the answer (lmao) before switching to microsoft git hosting for their development

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dont use anything made by microsoft so i dont think its using my data to train AI

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

It's probably ok for you to not use this form then.