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Your Windows 10 PC will soon be 'junk' - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you're still using Windows 10 and don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 127 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Nah fuck you, I'm staying with 10 as long as I can, then I'm switching to linux

[–] moonburster@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My PC doesn't hit the requirements for windows 11. Yet it kept asking me to update. Been running Ubuntu ever since

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 127 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I mean, it won't let me. Windows Update inists my PC doesn't meet the minimum spec, and I'm not inclined to argue with it.

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You can use Rufus to install windows 11 and bypass the requirements. It does everything for you -- downloads the latest win 11 service pack, removes the blocking requirements, and you can even tell it to automatically disable all of the telemetry and phoning home. You'll still need a license key when you install, or run it on a machine that was running a valid win 10 install previously. But I'm running win 11 on an 8 year old PC with zero issues.

Here is a good guide that explains in detail.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 10 months ago

True, or I could just not.

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would like to point out that this is exactly the same difficulty of just installing linux, without freeing you from microserfdom.

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[–] Olap@lemmy.world 127 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Or just try linux. It's pretty great

[–] yhvr@lemm.ee 66 points 10 months ago (15 children)

I love Linux. I have it installed on 3 machines, have been using it for over 3 years, and would install it right away if I ever got a new computer.

A couple weeks ago, I was feeling pretty exhausted and just wanted to play a game thru Proton on my laptop. I got it running, but it was unplayable because it was using my integrated GPU instead of my discrete one. I spent the night switching compositors, cables, and drivers, but none of it fixed the issue.

The next day, feeling exhausted from fruitless debugging, I tried to launch another game via Proton that I knew had worked in the past, but it crashed on launch. I spent the whole day going thru the same steps I did the day before, but also consulting ProtonDB and trying software that would force usage of the dgpu.

The next day, I installed Windows 10 to an external hard drive and spent the day debloating it. Drivers got installed automatically, I downloaded both games on Steam, and they just worked. So I guess I now dual-boot Windows just for the games that don't work thru Proton. Loading game worlds and booting up take ~75% longer, but that's to be expected because it's running on a 4 year old HDD connected over a USB cable.

As mentioned earlier, I love Linux a lot, and if all games had native binaries or Proton worked 100% I'd format that god-forsaken hard drive. But when real life has got me down, I don't need Linux to get me down further. I don't like Windows, and I feel incredibly dirty whenever I press F7 on boot to get to Windows. But when my choices are "spend 8 hours on fruitless quest to get >2fps" and "press play button", I'm going to take the path of least resistance.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 17 points 10 months ago

That's the thing. I love to use Linux for work, but when I don't want to tinker it sometimes sucks for gaming.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I work in a linux shop.

You couldn't pay me to use Windows for development, sysadmin, backend services, etc.

But on the desktop? Hell no. We maintain a modern debian desktop environment for our users, and it's a pain in the ass. Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About. I just don't have the energy.

I use windows at home, and for my underlying work environment - and I just SSH into linux boxes for the actual tappy-tappy stuff.

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 81 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nah, fuck it, I'm switching to Linux.

[–] Crismus@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yep. Gaming is starting to work on Linux, so I will move to Linux once Microsoft cancels 10.

11 has nothing more than more telemetry and tracking going for it. Gaming is slower, so why would I upgrade for a worse experience.

I play old games still anyways. Linux is more secure than Windows 11 anyways. I won't upgrade to 11, and turned off TPM in BIOS so 11 won't automatically install.

[–] preludeofme@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Can't wait for anti cheat to work with Linux ☹️

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[–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 61 points 10 months ago (6 children)

As I Linux user I can't wait for the flood of cheap perfectly good hardware from these idiots

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 50 points 10 months ago (5 children)

There is no way they don’t offer extended support for Windows 10. Many PCs can’t get to windows 11. Imagine all the malware infected machines that will be out there.

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[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Dude what ad ridden hellscape is that site, unlock pinged 45 ads on that page just on load lol

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh that’s just the start menu

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[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 10 months ago (9 children)

The day i had ads on my start page i immidiately uninstalled windows. I installed some linux distro its been like three years and ive finally settled on arch. it was hard but fuck ads on the start page and i feel smarter for it

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

When you swap distros, how do you manage all your files and settings? Do you just save your files externally and start from scratch every time you change a distro?

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

how do you manage all your files and settings?

I don't. I just use a separate drive for /home. And since I just prefer KDE no matter which system I'm using, all my files, settings, layouts, panels, etc are exactly the same whenever I switch out the OS.

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[–] Bandicoot_Academic@lemmy.one 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Once ALVR becomes even remotly usable on Linux im wiping my windows partition and going full Linux (I'm already using it for everything exept VR)

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[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Just in case you don’t want to go to the tabloid hell that is the Express Petition Link pirg.org

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (10 children)

A bit clickbait'y. Windows 10 will still work just fine for another decade at least, even without support.

In the Enterprise we ran 10+ year old PC's with XP still on them because the CNC program only runs on XP. No issues but of course you wouldn't use the internet on that machine.

Does having support really make a massive difference, especially if you're running AV anyway? A good AV suite will still be updated for years to come.

The government sector like hospitals etc will pay for extended support so not to worry.

It's only Enterprise that might have an issue because they want patched systems but may not be able to afford Win 10 Enterprise. Especially small to medium business.

As for the home user, it's not a massive issue.

Personally I don't care because I run Linux exclusively. I only gave win 10 running in a VM for printing. Canon said on the box that the printer supports Linux, then after I bought it, officially stopped all Linux support on their site. The original Ubuntu driver only support black and white. So I'm forced to use Windows in a VM for printing. But it's not connected to the net so it will fulfill this role forever.

If you're a regular home user and don't use any special proprietary software like Photoshop, I highly recommend you try Linux Mint. It will also breathe new life into your machine

[–] mlfh@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Not having security patches on a system you do things like go to your banking website on is actually a pretty big deal, and I don't think it should be dismissed lightly. Also AV is mostly snake oil, and is in no way an adequate substitute for a properly patched OS.

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[–] BEDE@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

In line with many folks' suggestions here, I'm ALL for switching to Linux full time after playing around with a few distros... BUT, I use dxo Photolab for photo editing which doesn't run on Linux, yes, even through wine etc.

Also yes, I know the are a bunch of great Foss alternatives. I've tried them all. Nothing touches the results from my current program unfortunately.

I would be stoked if anyone could enlighten me as to how I could get that working.

[–] HERRAX@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I can highly recommend either using windows as a VM in virtualbox, or simply dual boot. I'm using Linux 99% of the time, but I still boot into windows occasionally for some firmware updates or software that does not work with Linux.

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[–] Gasandthefuhrerious@lemmy.zip 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Your best bet is virtualization. I use that for my CAD software, games that dont run under linux and Microsoft office

This allows me to only use Windows that 10% of the time I need my software and be using linux for all other stuff.

Only issue is that it requires some effort to get it going and some additional hardware if you want to run both at the same time.

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[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Your PC will soon be be junk if you do not want to try out Linux.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a good time to give Linux a try!

[–] plantedworld@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I often play old games that have compatibility issues with windows 10. Most recently FEAR required a .dll from a site for a stable framerate.

People keep saying "gaming works" on Linux but are they talking about modern games? Do old games "just work?" I have very little free time to fart about with fixing too many issues with an old game. How well does this stuff work?

[–] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Check protondb for reports on whether a specific (steam) game runs.

In my experience, pretty much everything that doesn't have anticheat works. I can't remember the last time a game didn't work fine, from stuff so old it stopped working in Windows Vista to day 1 AAA titles. Even DOS stuff is playable with DOSBox.

Just be aware, Linux is not windows. If you try to use it like windows, you will only experience pain. It's not hard, especially with mainstream distros like Ubuntu or Mint, but you really should invest at least a bit of effort into learning how the system works and how to use it properly.

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[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The real problem is when Steam drops support on W10...

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That just means more cheap, used hardware available for us Linux users in a couple years.

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