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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This feels like a very un-Vulcan sentiment. After all, logically, there is no way of being certain what happens to the kid when you aren't there.

Believing otherwise is based on hope/faith. Which are inherently illogical from a Vulcan standpoint.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 39 points 1 year ago

Vulcans understand calculated risk. It would be illogical to assume certainty was possible in any situation. What would be Illogical is for Samantha to assume that she didn't have a positive impact on Naomi, and that Naomi wouldn't be loved and cared for by the Voyager crew were she to die.

It would also be illogical to focus on what she cannot control (especially in an emergency situation) Tuvok is reminding her that she's done what she can.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, Tuvok is one of the worst Vulcans around in general. He lets his emotions get the better of him a lot, as we saw throughout Voyager, but I never saw this line as something that was 'un-Vulcan'. Then again that's probably because I've always taken this scene as Tuvok 'giving way' a little bit. He does that occasionally on the show, sort of putting on an emotional front or putting things in emotional terms, to help soothe various characters with whatever they're dealing with. Considering that she was about to die and was freaking out about her kid (which was directly putting her at further risk by raising her heart rate/breathing rate in a closed environment) I just assumed Tuvok sort of... manipulated the truth a bit to calm her down.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still working my way through VOY but even as far as I am (just watched "Tuvix") there have been many instances where he has had emotions overwhelm him. I feel like mind melding with a violent psychopath didn't do him any favours.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Season 5, Episode 13 focuses a lot on Tuvok. Helps explain more about his character. Lemme just say that yeah, you're right. Melding with Sudur wasn't that great of an idea but definitely wasn't the cause of his problems.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should have just nerve pinched her.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You can use logic to deduce when appearing to show emotion might be beneficial to a situation.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He didn’t say he’s certain of what will happen to her. They don’t know what’s happening back home, but one of them is freaking out anyway. Tuvok is being logical in turning to the facts that are known. And he knows a lot of reassuring facts. Does this mean his kid won’t be hit by a falling roof tile? No. But everything he does know points to the positive. It’s entirely logical to refer to what is known in a situation where not everything can be known (which let’s face it is every situation).

[–] 7of9@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Anyone who didn't feel this scene has no heart!

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

I love Tuvak, man I need to rewatch Voyager, especially after Janeway being in the cartoon!