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Document Isaac Herzog said showed Hamas intended to stage a chemical weapons attack is an al-Qaeda biography of World Trade Center attacker Ramzi Yousef

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[–] livus@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the WMDs all over again.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

It's pretty apparent that the Israeli government is trying to push propaganda to shore up their excuses for the ground invasion. A chemical weapons threat would be a massive excuse for them just going in and destroying everything.

[–] laskoune@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Learning from the best !

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"A document presented by Israeli President Isaac Herzog as proof that Hamas intended to develop chemical weapons is actually an amateur biography of World Trade Center attacker Ramzi Yousef and contains no instructions on how to develop chemical weapons."

""It's al-Qaeda material. Official al-Qaeda material. We are dealing with ISIS, al-Qaeda and Hamas. And in this material there were instructions on how to produce chemical weapons," Herzog said of the document.

"This is how shocking the situation is where we're looking at the instructions that are given on how to operate and how to create a kind of non-professional chemical weapon with cyanide.""

"Readily available on the internet, the 30-page book contains no instructions on how to make chemical weapons but makes reference to the Kuwait-born Yousef's life working for al-Qaeda, especially his role in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center."

I see Israel is continuing the tradition of incredibly dumb and easily debunkable propaganda. And outside of Arabic-related news sources, I see no other media reporting on this that's actually noting said propaganda, but is instead taking Herzog's statement at face value.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In trying to verify the image of the bomb, Sky News has spoken to Aimen Dean, a former member of al Qaeda who turned against the terrorist group and became an MI6 spy. He helped create a poison bomb known as the mubtakkar.

He said: "I can confirm this is the exact diagram from a 2003 secret document written by an al Qaeda cell I was infiltrating in Saudi Arabia between 2002 and 2005."

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-isaac-herzog-documents-under-scrutiny-12991143

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that referring to the second image that Herzog showed? The one that's been publicly available since 2005 for everyone to see?

The one Sky News themselves have had full photos available of in their articles for years?

The one that everyone made fun of as dumb and not possible to work?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. It's not really surprising for a Sunni Muslim terrorist to have Islamist terrorist reading materials is it?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are you assuming any Hamas person had any of these documents on them? I'm putting money on Herzog pushing some complete made up bullshit. Which fits with past evidence of really obvious made up bullshit Israel has pushed at the UN.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems plausible. The propaganda is that these were step by step instructions, which they weren't, so there was no plan for a chemical weapons attack.

The facts as they are are bad enough, they don't need to embellish like this.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This somehow feels like the scene in "You don't mess with the Zohan" where Rob Schneider buys Neosporin and throws it at a window expecting it to explode. You know middle east peace is impossible when such brilliance as Adam Sandler can't even crack that nut. Kinda unrelated but worth mentioning, Rob Schneider sure turned out to be a piece of shit.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago

Just a fucking fire hose of low-effort disinformation to distract from genocide.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Israeli propaganda forces out in force recently

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And? They're one of the only news sources bothering to debunk the blatant misinformation from Herzog. Plenty of other individual people had already debunked it, but none of the non-Arab media appears to be even attempting to point out the false claims he's making.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

none of the non-Arab media appears to be even attempting to point out the false claims he's making.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-isaac-herzog-documents-under-scrutiny-12991143

Did you just falsely claim that no non-Arab media are investigating if it's a false claim?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So you admit it’s a false claim in one breath, while discrediting the source in another. You are not operating in good faith. But as you say, arguing with pigeons will only result in shit in your hair.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t like the message, shoot the messenger.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

False equivalency. Middle East Eye could be the militant newspaper of Hezbollah and the information in this article would still be true. Since this post, this info has been reported in other places. As for your example, if the information is true, I don’t care if it comes from Cthulhu.