I can't wait to see court cases where proprietary software developed using copilot is found to be fully AGPLv3 due to where the ML learnt its patterns.
this post was submitted on 30 Jun 2022
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That wont happen because Microsoft has a lot more money to pay lawyers (and lobbyists).
We need to start adding a new explicit clause to licenses.
Edit: Although when uploading code to github, because of its terms of use, microsoft might be able to void any clause related to ML model training, with something like "when you upload code to GitHub, you accept that it might be used to construct data sets aimed at AI model training".
Really though, what is the difference between a copyright-infringing piece of code generated by copilot, and a copyright-infringing piece of code generated by running the original through rot-13 twice?
But wouldn't that no longer make your code FOSS?
@guojing
That depends on the new clause you add. Of course, it would not be permissive, though.
This can raise some even more interesting questions, like: what should happen if you upload code that isn't yours on GitHub, and the authors have never used GitHub?
You can legally redistribute code released under basically any free license, but the ToS agreement that code uploaded on GitHub can be used to train the AI should be valid only if the account owners upload their own code.
Can't wait to use this loophole to legally destroy GitHub, but we need to find hundreds if not thousands of angry FLOSS developers that don't use GitHub and want to sacrifice themselves for the greater good (you could just upload their code on GitHub yourself without their permission and only then get in touch with them, being it free code, but it's kind of inappropriate in this circumstance)
Does anyone have experience with Codeberg? It looks like a pretty good alternative.
Codeberg is based on Gitea, which closely resembles GitHub's interface. Contributing to projects hosted on Codeberg is just as easy as contributing to GitHub projects.
The good: familiar UI, nice community
The bad: much worse accessibility.
Conclusion: I'd recommend keeping a Gitea/Codeberg remote but not using it exclusively. Doing so should include more people without excluding people who use assistive technology.
We need better accessibility on FOSS projects. It has tu suck needing to use a cringe service like GitHub because of accessibility.
Also, one might look into Sourcehut (sr.ht)
I saw this the other day but couldn't really understand how it works:( Using mail list in 2022 seems a bit ... unintuitive?
also I'd love to be educated about equivalents to issues/PRs in sourcehut cuz I'm thinking about shifting away from github too:)
Mailing list is actually very accessable IMO. You do not have to sign up for any service (with another account or some hostile captcha) but just drop your changes via e-mail (which everyone on the internet has).
With that workflow you just do your changes locally and once done you create a patch from the diff and send it afterwards to the mailing list. It is super easy with git send-mail and you should check out git-send-mail.io for infos about the git mail workflow (the site is actually by the devs of sourcehut).
EDIT: Drew also made a nice video about PR vs mail workflow here.
I have to disagree from personal experience. There has only once in my life been a mailing list that it was useful to have been subscribed to, it was by a friend group. Every other mailing list that I was ever part of was a waste of time.
How does that contradict the usefulness of mailing lists in context of software development? It's not a chat for anything but specifically discussing contributions, thus not any worse than discussion boards below PRs.
maybe it doesn't.
I use it, it's pretty nice. As someone already said: the interface it's practically the same.
Odd, such an announcement and no mention of their own project called Kallithea. It's actually a quite nice forge with support for both git and mercurial.
I used it in personal spaces several years ago.
It is very nice.
sourcehut here!😁
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Nice
Anyway it's a good idea to look in AlternativeTo first. 26 OpenSource alternatives to GitHub
https://alternativeto.net/software/github/?license=opensource&platform=online
I use Gitlab instead.
GitLab is not the solution tho. Or at least their main instance.
But gitlab can be easily self hosted. I use my own Docker instance which is mirrored to Gitlab and Github and it's pushed to Docker Hub
But now I'm considering to remove the github mirror...
I love Gitlab and put some projects on there, Github pages is just too good for free website hosting.
Gitlab also has free website hosting -_-