Damn, Lemmy.ml upvoting Paul Joseph Watson? Horseshoe theory must be real. I used to watch that guy when I was pro-Trump and rightwing
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Something doesn't become wrong or disproven when it is said by someone I don't like.
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Something Something "Russia is an evil authoritarian regime and is destroying poor democratic Ukraine!"
the ability to live peacefully, without being invaded shouldn't be contingent on presence or absence of democracy either way 🤷♀️
When did I say they don't deserve the ability to live peacefully? I'm simply calling out the liberal narrative that one is definitely authoritarian and the other is definitely a democracy, and that this is a case of an authoritarian government specifically trying to destroy a democracy. Ukraine is hardly a democracy, contrary to popular belief.
ah, i see what you mean
my reply comment wasn't meant to run counter to your comment, rather, i meant to express that the the entire narrative of "attack on X is worse bc they're democratic" or "attack on Y is more justified bc they're less democratic" is absurd and cruel
That's precisely the situation Ukraine was in before the west decided they needed a color revolution and a government full of nazis.
edit: it's amazing how you can state plain facts and get downvoted. Before the war propaganda campaign started, western media has been openly reporting this. Here are just a few sources:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20220329174945/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU
- https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/ukraine-russia-nato-crisis-liberal-illusions/
- https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
- https://www.internationalmagz.com/articles/conversation-with-dmitri-kovalevich
didn't the far right parties get virtually no seats at the recent parliamentary elections in 2019 and overall are a small minority that doesn't hold any power over the country?
also, even if this weren't the case, i fail to see how an invasion and destruction of livelihoods of millions would do anything about it, besides probably stirring up more nationalistic movements 🤷♀️
The far right oligarchs who are working directly with US have been in control of the government. Meanwhile, you should take a look at the territories that are controlled by LPR and DPR right now, people aren't exactly upset about it. You can see some interviews here. Ukraine has been in a civil war since the coup in 2014, the extremists US put in power have done things like banning the use of Russian language. This hasn't played well with a huge Russian speaking population in the east.
People in the west don't seem to actually understand much about Ukraine and treat it as some homogeneous blob as opposed to a large and culturally diverse country that it actually is.
Ukraine has been in a civil war since the coup in 2014, the extremists US put in power have done things like banning the use of Russian language. This hasn’t played well with a huge Russian speaking population in the east.
Isn't it the other way around in the donbass region, since ~2014?
People of Donbas decided to separate from Ukraine after 2014 coup, and that's why there's been an ongoing conflict this whole time.
Did lemmy get full of fucking libs or what?
Western propaganda on Ukraine has been intense, and a lot of people are still parroting it.
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Russia is literally attacking Ukraine.
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Does anyone have a link to the original Facebook post the article leads with? I have been looking, but also don't know Ukrainian so I wouldn't know if I missed it on non-English posts.
Ah yes, the supposed final bastion of western liberal democratic values and civilization, making all political opposition illegal. At least they're up front about it, other countries do it more quietly in the background.
I would have to know why they did it, but if the party they banned is supporting Russian control of Ukraine while Russia is invading Ukraine and a war is actively going on, then yes obviously you have to fight not only the invaders but also anyone who helps them. Whether or not this is the real reason for the ban I don't know, because I don't know the details.
Those on here complaining about democracy, NATO, etc., should remember that Ukraine comes first above all else. When Ukraine itself is at stake, democracy or no democracy doesn't matter anymore.
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