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Two years after the Fairphone 4 and following the release of some audio products like the Fairbuds XL, the Dutch company is back with a new repairable phone: the Fairphone 5. It looks and feels a lot like the Fairphone 4, but it adds choice upgrades across the board, making it the most modular and also most modern-looking repairable phone from the company yet.

The design is largely unchanged compared to the Fairphone 4, but the improvements that the company did make go a long way: The teardrop notch and the LCD screen is finally gone, with an ordinary punch-hole selfie and an OLED taking its place. Otherwise, you’re looking at an aluminum frame, a triangular camera array, and a removable back cover. Here, the company brought back its signature translucent back cover next to two black and blue variants. The dimensions and weight has been reduced ever-so-slightly compared to the predecessor.

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[–] Ogygus@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rah@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Qualcomm QCM6490

No good for free software OSes then :-(

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate on why? Like, I'm not surprised, I just am not involved in this space enough to know why.

[–] ceuk@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proprietary drivers/firmware. Basically makes it impossible/very hard to develop custom ROMs/operating systems (the lack of openness makes it super hard to extend/modify/verify the software running on these chips).

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The drivers are well separated via HAL so you can absolutely make custom ROMs/OSes without changing those. The Android OS has way more code above the HAL layer than below. You can't however arbitrarily update the Linux kernel, modify the drivers or fix security issues found, beyond the security support window provided by Qualcomm.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

you can absolutely make custom ROMs/OSes

You can't however arbitrarily update the Linux kernel

So you can't make free software OSes.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  1. Manufacturers (e.g., Qualcomm, Samsung) won't return your call unless you buy in huge quantities, hundreds of thousands or millions of units.
  2. Lack of documentation.
  3. Information restricted by NDA.
  4. Non-free binaries required for lots of hardware.
  5. Generally lording over the market and exploiting their position, to the degree of anti-competitiveness, and as a consequence artificially extending the rein of non-free software in the mobile domain.
  6. Astonishingly poor quality of engineering.
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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Damn...

They're gonna keep getting bigger, aren't they?

[–] sw2de3fr4gt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The bigger they are, the easier they are to repair. So repairable phones in general are going to be on the bigger side.

[–] ammonium@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The dimensions and weight has been reduced ever-so-slightly compared to the predecessor.

I think they meant the company, not the phone

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[–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It really does surprise me how so many people (at least on Reddit and Lemmy) care so deeply about a headphone jack.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  1. No internal battery means it's not a product with a built-in obsolence period (which is fairly short, 3-5 years)
  2. Most of the better audio gear are all wired
  3. I mean, it's simple economics: Not paying for all the extra stuff to make it wireless means you get better value for audio quality
  4. Many people here are enthusiasts in tech and hardware, we likely have more than a few devices. Switching between devices with BT is a fucking PITA.
[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speaking as an audiophile, you can buy a USB C dongle for like $10 that even has a good DAC. Only issue is if you're regularly charging and listening to wired buds simultaneously

[–] meta_synth@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dongles are pointless e-waste. They constantly break, get lost, or are forgotten when you need them the most. They are not a solution.

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[–] osbo9991@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the issue stems from annoying dongles that wired headphone users typically don't want to carry.

The situation with fairphone is especially infuriating however, as omitting the headphone jack goes against the whole point of fairphone IMO.

Bluetooth headphones, as convenient as they are, have integrated lithium batteries, which are harmful for the environment. They also have a very short, finite lifespan. Despite these issues, fairphone removed the headphone jack on the fairphone 4 and 5, while simultaneously releasing true wireless Bluetooth earphones that are not repairable. Their whole brand is based on creating ethically sourced, repairable products, so offering an inherently unrepairable item for sale is rather disappointing. I am aware that they offer over ear headphones that are repairable, but I think they shouldn't sell true wireless earphones until they come up with a real repairable design.

In contrast, there are wired headphones from the mid 1980s that are still functional and still sound amazing, even if they aren't as convenient to use. There are also modern wired headphones and IEMs (In-Ear Monitors) that have removable, standardized cables. This is great since the cable is what breaks on wired headphones 99% of the time.

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[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

I don't want to buy more shit I got to remember to charge when I already have a few nice 3.5mm headsets. I know its going to be dead every time I want to use it. I got to pair it every time I switch devices. It works on everything that has the right hole even if its older than your parents.

Its just extra work unless its your daily driver.

[–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I use a headphone jack daily, it is a must for me. Not going to do a stupid Bluetooth adapter or dongle cable that can get lost or damaged

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only way I can play music from Spotify or youtube in my car is through a headphone jack, I value it very deeply because of that. It's much cheaper to buy a phone with a jack than it is to replace my car

[–] danwardvs@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Not being able to listen to wired audio while charging is a dealbreaker. And not needing a dongle is convenient.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago

it's useful. I use it.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't charge and use iem together

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Low-end hardware and a pretty much closed CPU you can't do much with for 700 Euros? No, thank you.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It's a 778G equivalent, from what I can tell, how is that even low end?

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[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I really hope it does well, the business model really needs to change.

[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Man I've never spent more than 300 bucks on any phone, fair or not. Isn't there something in the 150-300 category that's worth buying, more sustainable and de-googled/foss?

I don't do high end shit with my phone. I just browse the web, take notes and do 2FA stuff. I don't need a 700€ phone for this, even considering the higher cost because of sustainability.

[–] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 7 points 1 year ago

Buy an FP3 or 4 if you don't need these features.

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[–] keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The major issue for me is availability, they don't sell the phone here, so if I buy through shipping services I can't buy replacement parts.

[–] Zana@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait doesn't that defeat the point then?

[–] keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest 4 points 1 year ago

It does defeat the point, so I won't buy a fairphone untill they sell here directly.

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, that's nice. I am gonna buy one.

Jk I will wait until my current phone is obsolete.

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[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is it available in the U.S. yet?

recently launched in the U.S.

Does anyone with a Fair phone have time to tell me how it compares to Pixel? I have loved all of my Google Pixel products to the point I have lived with them for 7 years since their launch.

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[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised there are no night tests. The images look pretty good on what they tested.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their promo video looks good. Though it is a promo video.

My guess is that it won't have the bells and whistles of Samsung or Google Pixel devices. That doesn't really seem to be the goal with the device though.

[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I'm excited for some real world tests. If we can get to at least an iPhone 13 quality of processing on the image, I'm in.

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[–] rambos@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I could live without headphones jack, but its thick and cost almost 2x the price I can afford. Id consider keeping it if I get it for free because I like the Idea of repairability

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[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can anything from the new phone be used on the pervious models?

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[–] icdl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

How did they fit in so many ads?

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