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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pro Tip: corporations won't just give you this, you sort of have to riot until you force the government make it illegal for them to not do it. And even then you'll probably have to re-defend it every few years.

Source: am from Europe.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, hear me out, cut out the middle man and get rid of the government so that you can then get rid of corporations.

[–] jonuno@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Are you saying that freedom needs constant active effort??

[–] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Of course they do. It’s madness that you’re at the mercy of an employer who decides how many vacation days you get if you get anything at all.

General well-being, physical and mental shouldn’t be left to employers. A certain minimum should be mandatory, if an employer wants to be attractive, they can add more instead of pretending two weeks is generous. No one can recover from work (or life) related stress in just a week or maybe two, it’s insanity.

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You know it's just a bit of an internet joke that we take the whole of August off, right? Just because we've got enough vacation days to do that if we wanted doesn't mean that anyone actually uses them all up in one go at the most expensive time of the year for hotels, flights etc.

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And summer is only July in northern Europe.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It was June in the UK this year :/

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[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but to someone who has 4 unpaid days off a year that distinction doesn't matter ya layabouts ;)

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All joking aside, I don't understand how you could live like that? I'm finding it hard this year because I'm getting married in November and taking 3 weeks. That has meant that I've had to really eek out my other 3 weeks throughout the year.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How i live currently is very different than i used to pre-covid. Post? I take unpaid days off whenever i can afford it and feel like it. I don't fucking care anymore.

Damn, I'm sorry dude that taking days off has to be a financial decision. Good on you looking after yourself though.

[–] Nommer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Simple answer is we don't really live. We just kinda suffer day after day until someone breaks then a new policy is out in place to legally cover the corps ass. It's a miserable system and most of us are at a breaking point.

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

My summer vacation is 4 weeks and I use that every july - august all in one go as does my SO and all of the people I work with. This is on top of my week long winter vacation and the 10 or so calendar holidays we all get through the year. I also "earn" one extra holiday every 2 weeks or so that I can pretty much spend when ever I want.

[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

my experience is the opposite. I take the shortest vacations of the people I know who usually take 4 weeks off and then just do unpaid later if they need more time. Definitely could be a difference of PMC vs the prolest of proles. I spread it out but i get looked at weird

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[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

who gives a shit what Americans want, they should poll corporations instead

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

michael-laugh totally got me for a minute comrade

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Elitist workers have for decades been leaving the cries of the senator class unheeded rage-cry

[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

headline should read "at least 34% of americans have serious brain damage"

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, hello, I'd like to order 1 life please.

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so fucking sad, though. We only have this life and we spend it all working and going through shit. I hate thinking about it.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you see, if you don't work the owner class can't have permanent vacations and a revolving door of material pleasures. I mean, you need to eat?

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My boss has a personal chef. I can't afford a house.

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, that's fucked up. I still don't ever understand why us Americans aren't in the streets tearing the whole country down to the ground because of the shit that we live in.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Because if I do it my family is hurt and we have no home. Its no guarantee anyone will be out there with me. Protests take years of planning, years we don't have anymore. I want to riot, but I don't see it accomplishing anything. Not without an organized front with articulate goals.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The other 64% believe that they will be be millionaires any day now, just one more scratch ticket!

edit: wow, I'm gonna leave my drunk math as stands

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago

Math says no :)

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[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I lived in Europe for the first 30 years of my life, and the only time I got all of August off was when I was in school.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah everytime I see one of these posts romanticizing Europe, I roll my eyes. And I have to scroll so far to see it debunked.

It seems even Europeans themselves go along with it, because they kinda enjoy the pride of it?

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean 5 weeks vacation per year certainly isn't ideal but if I talk to friends from abroad I can't help but feel lucky.

[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm European and the title made me chuckle a bit.

I upvoted one of the most upvoted comments by a fellow Euro person saying that basically no one here does that (when I say no one, I mean statistically. Maybe 1 in 10k people does).

The point tho is, that you technically could.

And even if you don't take the entire month off in one go, you still have around 4 or 5 weeks paid leave over a year, which is much better than most of the places in the US, from what I hear.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I actually have 32 days off here in Belgium.

20 days for everyone working full time, and 12 ADV days for anyone working 40 hour weeks instead of 36 hours.

All of them are fully paid of course.

I definitely can take off the whole of August. But I'd rather spread it out over the year.

So instead of rolling your eyes, you should be rolling your bosses off a cliff for not granting you the same courtesy.

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[–] WELCOMETHRILLHO@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

The 34% unfortunately includes the entirety of the ruling class

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I wanted 3 weeks per month off

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[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Some people like to pretend chains are just another type of weighted blanket.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Brainwashed to go against their own best interests.

And fear they will be outperformed by those who don't mind being slaves.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

YES! Oh my God it is a tragedy that vacations are proudly seen as a thing of the past here.

Imagine living in, say, California and taking a week off just to go surfing or explore some of the national parks or smaller towns. Hell, imagine a country that doesn't try to gatekeep its youth from walkable cities that make it possible to make and have friends to share those vacations with. I'm sorry but, the people in charge are complete misanthropes that want to force their miserable loneliness on others.

I've said it before and I will say it again, the US is the anti-fun country and it's the fault of the puritan WASPs who have no taste in anything.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm really surprised because it means 34% don't want a month off work.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They must simp for their overlords, for one day too they will be the overlords

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 11 points 1 year ago

Corporations be like haha get back to work slaves

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not even part of the law to give people vacations for FEDERAL HOLIDAYS unless you're government employees. It's so absurd lol. I honestly don't know anyone who gets the holidays off unless they're white collared workers. And I'm talking office/manager white collars, not doctor/pharmacist/nurse white collar.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only language the capitalist ruling class understands is violence.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

“ And if Jesus himself had to take the whip to chase them from his temple, it is indeed because that is the only language they hear.”

[–] NotErisma@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

The average American is lucky to get 11 vacation days from their employer each year.

Me with 0

joker-gaming

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