Train can't stop like a vehicle does.
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I live in California; many drivers here make it seem like regular cars can't stop either the way they roll through stops.
Cars in New Mexico appear to have brake failures at every stop sign, they slow down but do not stop.
Idk if this is more of a local thing but in Ohio we call rolling stops a California stop
I've always heard it called the "California Roll" from other Californians. I like the pun. A California roll is also a local kind of sushi.
California rolls (sushi) are common in mostly the entire US.
Sweden also has them
They are local like Hawaiian pizza is local to Toronto. They might have been created there but itnhas caught on elsewhere.
When it done where I am at we call it a California stop. Explains where that name comes from that they actually have a saying for that type of "stopping ".
KY/OH here. It's not a Cali thing, it's an American thing. Almost daily I have people rolling through stop signs or just straight up not stopping at stop lights if they're turning right.
Story time: drove in Europe for the first time this year. Totally different. Lower speed limits even with that weird metric system. Way less lights and more round abouts and stop signs.
not stopped at stop lights if they're turning right
That's because it's actually allowed in the majority of the US
Well right turns on red are allowed in most of NA.
Just to be pedantic, trains are vehicles.
I heard it takes like 1 mile 1km for a train to come to a complete stop.
Trains have right of way. Cars do not have right of way at cross walks.
pedestrians should honk
When I was in Nepal, busses would round blind corners on barely-two-lane cliffside roads - meaning 100+ metre cliffs above AND below - at full speed, and their only warning was just a bunch of honks. The problem is there's so much honking it's hard to imagine anyone can tell where it's coming from, especially given the people you're trying to warn are around the corner and can probably only hear you due to echoes coming from the far side of the valley.
The game for me became, count how many busses were destroyed at the bottom of the cliffs, or hanging precariously over the edge having punched through the concrete barrier, or tipped on their side in the lowlands, or just... fucking INTEGRATED with one another after a head on collision that definitely killed both drivers and anyone sitting in the driver's quadrant of each bus.
I definitely lost count, except for that last example of which I saw exactly one (1), and I learned that honking is no substitute for real infrastructure. Structural adjustment policies killed those people.
That’s the thing, I live near train tracks/station. The fucking train honks incessantly. There are like 4 or 5 intersections that train crosses in pretty quick succession, plus the station, so they just lay on the horn for a good mile. No one pays attention to it. It’s like the boy that cried wolf. It totally defeats the purpose of it’s trying to alert anyone to anything. Not to mention the noise pollution it needlessly creates. Idk who decided that was a reasonable solution, instead of putting up the people gates, but fuck them. That law needs to be completely abolished imo.
Where I live, pedestrians have the right of way at crosswalks (fun fact: when this was introduced somewhere in the 70s, car drivers have been angry about it)
Serious question: are there places in the world that have marked pedestrian crossings (crosswalks), but vehicles DON’T have to give way to pedestrians?
In Prague, pedestrians officially have the right of way, but most drivers don't seem to know that.
Yeah, unfortunately that seems pretty normal in a lot of places.
Yes, Germany.
They have two types of pedestrian crosswalks. One of them is the standard "zebra crossing", where the whole crosswalk is maked with white stripes and there pedestrians have right of way.
The other one just has just dashes at the sides of the crossing, and here pedestrians have no right of way. But if these are present (same with the other type) pedestrians are not allowed to cross the road for iirc 50 meters left or right of the crossing. So it essentially turns the road left and right of the crossing into a "no crossing allowed" zone.
They do this at traffic lights, so that if the light doesn't work pedestrians don't have right of way. And sometimes they just do it to annoy pedestrians, because it's car-country Germany and fuck pedestrians or something.
Not long ago in Poland a pedestrian would have the right of way only after they were already on the crossing. So if you would get killed on a crosswalk that would be classified as intrusion and the driver would go scot-free
In most states in the US, if the automobile traffic has the green light and the pedestrian traffic has a "don't walk" sign, then the pedestrians are supposed to yield to the cars.
Sorry, I guess I should have more specific - if it’s a signalled pedestrian crossing, of course the signals need to be followed. I was wondering in the context of a crossing that only has markings, but no signals.
It looks like it changed last year, but the UK. The law was previously that pedestrians in a crosswalk should wait until it was clear to start crossing, as opposed to cars should stop if someone is waiting to cross.
I remember in NJ USA as a kid being told that cars didn't have to stop at zebra crossings. I don't know if it was true, I wasn't skeptically investigating things when I was 7.
The best I could find was this blog talking about how the rules say they should stop, but they frequently don't: https://www.expataussieinnj.com/understanding-road-rules-for-pedestrians-in-nj/
So maybe the rules are one way, but the locals don't follow it so you can't treat the rule as being in place.
People keep posting things saying that, it's not even true.
What do you mean? It's true in Denmark. It's the law that cars have to stop at marked acrosswalks.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Driver's aren't all pissy, it's bullshit.
As far as I am aware, this is true in Ohio***. At crosswalks, pedestrians have the right of way the moment they step onto the crosswalk - though of course you are supposed to also make sure that by stepping onto a crosswalk you are not causing a hazard (so in other words, don't step on when there is a car coming up fast enough to cause an accident if they suddenly stop for you).
The exception is if you are at a crosswalk with a signal that indicates to NOT cross, then cars have the right of way (or at the very least, you won't catch me attempting to "test" otherwise). Though again, as a driver this doesn't give you permission to just plow through someone whose already crossing if you had the ability to stop safely.
*Right-of-way laws vary everywhere and are not universal (and are very specific - the places I've seen/been at generally indicate that you have to be actively on the crosswalk to have right-of-way, cars don't have to yield/stop to wait for you to step onto and begin crossing), what @thisNotMyName@lemmy.world can be true for where they live, yet it could be false where you live.
**They are also complex sometimes, for example here in Ohio I believe at marked crosswalks you technically only have right-of-way on your half of the crosswalk - if someone coming the opposite direction makes a right turn onto your crosswalk and you're not on "that half" yet, then you are supposed to yield for them.
What it comes down to is, what is true and false regarding right-of-way laws is incredibly specific on context and where you are, which will explain why you're seeing some people say this, and others who aren't.
However, what is generally false is the assumption that pedestrians always have the right-of-way everywhere and anywhere.
In addition to the whole 'a car is diffent from a train' aspect; trains don't always 'honk' in the US
Neither do they here (Austria) even though my driving instructor was adamant that they do. "You can trust that if there's no honk, there is no train."
Thanks, driving instructor, but I'd rather go with "if there is no train, then there is no train".
Trains only honk because they can't stop, so all they can do is warn. Cars should not be going so fast they can't stop on city streets. Also, trains always have the right-of-way, but cars never do, even on roads without crosswalks or sidewalks. They must always yield to all pedestrians in any situation.
Yes, but no, please no.
Please no. Can you imagine the cacophony that'd be?
If you want even more nutjobs shooting each other in public, sure, go for it. 👍
I have heard that when cars were a rare thing in the Old West that drivers had to stop at intersections, get out, and fire a gun to warn any horse-powered cross traffic. It sounds like total bs but there have been stranger laws...
Only in the past handful of years was it no longer made illegal to sneeze in public here in Texas.
It was an old holdover law from when sneezing might spook someone's horse. Not enforced for obvious reasons, though.
When I took my divers ed class the instructor told us that honking should be used when passing in a two way street. Never seen anyone do it, tho a one finger salute is often given. Not really sure what I should do with the honk now.