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[–] xilophor@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

iirc, it costs $99 a year to be able to upload apps on the apple app store rather than a one-time $25 on android. Also, apple test flight or whatever has a limited amount of people who can use it, rather than just installing an apk on android. Apple's ecosystem makes it much harder for open source or small apps to exist for iOS devices.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Also android has FDroid, which is free, and libre.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I believe the tools for iOS development are only available on Mac.

[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes when people put their hard work into building an app for free, they don’t also want to pay $99 a year so that some bullshit company can profit off of the app developers hard work.

iOS developers are REQUIRED to own a mac and are REQUIRED to pay apple $99 a year. That means it is more costly to develop open source for iOS or any apple product. That’s why apple is terrible.

[–] pexavc@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I generally like Android from the perspective of more availability to the ecosystem. I think there’s even an environment to run android apps easily on desktop too or any environment for that matter.

In general open source solutions can simply reach more people, which is why there’s more projects that are Android based.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People say it's the price (to develop), but it's not IMO. It's the community. Lots of developers use iOS (in the US), but in my experience, power users who develop FOSS in their free time have a high propensity to be Android users. There's just so much more freedom in the platform.

Add this to the fact that outside of the US Android is more popular as the device costs are lower and there is less blind brand loyalty due to that, so developers in those countries focus on the platforms they use.

I believe the latter was the case with the current FOSS weather app I use (Breezy Weather).

Update: This is personal experience, but I've never met a free-time FOSS app creator (or contributer) that didn't develop for the device they use. And I've met a lot of them.

Final edit: Weather apps may be biased with age. With React Native and Flutter taking over new apps, platforn agnostic apps may slowly go away over time. But which FOSS dev wants to build a new weather app when there are so many (for Android) already?

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iOS is kind of annoying to develop for. You kind of need to be entrenched in the Apple ecosystem to do it.

I also think there’s the niche part of it. Weather apps are kind of niche, if I’m going out I only care about the temps and whether or not it might rain, and iOS already has a great built in app for that. I love FOSS, but I’m not sure I care enough about my weather app to seek out a FOSS alternative to the default one.

Also I’m not sure Android has a weather app by default? I have a Pixel 6 as a work phone but don’t think I’ve ever checked for a weather app on it.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

IOS has a preinstalled weather app and people just use that. For whatever reason. Everything is so integrated, I guess 3rd party weather apps wouldnt even display correctly. On Android, simply use a Notification and thats it.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What? There are plenty of third party weather apps on iOS. I’m not sure if iOS has those sticky Daemon notifications that Android has though, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them.

There are widgets though, both for the Home Screen and the Lock Screen, as well as little widgets for the watch if you have one of those.

Modern iOS is quite polished. Android could use a touch up with their widgets honestly.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Apple bought darksky and has been integrating all of the technology into their app so it is becoming the best one without having to bother looking for another. You have to be a super weather nerd to even want to bother looking for something else. I happen to be that much of a weather nerd and use a third party app. There’s tons of them in the App Store.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I saw they use some british Weather stuff? I just always assume these models are way worse than something like DWD in Germany. Thats why I currently use a KleineWettervorschau, an app for the DWD but not by them, as they had stupid legal problems as they, as a state institution, have an app without Ads, wow crazy.

[–] delirium@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

From the perspective of FOSS developer:

I simply don't want to pay €100 every single year to Tim Apple to make a free hobby app.

Android has more ways to distribute, and the "official" way is one time €25 fee and that's it.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

~~weather~~

Because Apple damn sucks. Its useless to have FOSS apps on this platform if you ask me. Plus they go fully "license business" and dont allow many FOSS licenses that have "this software comes with no guarantees" in it, e.g. the GPL

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Foss and Apple don't really go hand in hand. The foss apps that are currently on iOS though, I fully support and encourage more development of.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

You make an Android app, you leave the binary on Github or wherever, or even just get people to compile it themselves.

On Apple, you need to go though the whole appstore bullshit.

[–] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think this goes for open source in general. I guess its just because of Apple and how locked down and restricted they make things. AOSP is open source and as a whole is pretty open with allowing things like sideloading and more freedom and control to developers and users in general, so I guess that encourages more FOSS developers to support it and the platform, over something like iOS for instance with its locked down ecosystem.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you have to pay a monthly fee to be listed ln the App Store?

Apple does not like FOSS

[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Apple is actively hostile to software freedom. Even if a particular iOS app is free, actually exercising the four freedoms is difficult given the barriers Apple puts up against developers.

This is not considering the culture of Apple users which is generally indifferent to software freedom, of course.

[–] cesium@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

This issue isn't limited to weather apps. iOS apps in general tend to be closed source.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 0 points 1 year ago

Apple users use to pay a lot for their device. So they just continue on with theme.