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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

...That policy which pretends to aspire to peace but unerringly generates war, the policy of continual preparation for war, the policy of meddlesome interventionism. There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome’s allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest — why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome’s duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs

  • Joseph Schumpeter (and quoted by Michael Parenti)
[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shoutout to the 46 troops in Peru

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am legitimately curious what 46 troops over 2 bases are accomplishing. I mean, obviously nothing but I wonder what they are supposed to accomplish.

Is it just so CIA assets have staging grounds in south america?

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm also wondering what the ~50,000 people in Japan are doing all day.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are largely in Okinawa. As a resident of Japan, from my observations:
Assaulting the locals, murdering the locals, sexually assaulting the locals, getting very loudly drunk and doing one of the previous, getting very drunk and driving in local towns, dropping things from helicopters on local schools.

They also do joint drills with the Japanese Self-Defense Force, but a lot of those drills are not functionally very useful given Article 9 of our constitution. Technically we changed our position towards collective self-defense (to allow it) a few years back, but it has never come up in an actual engagement.

They did some assistance during the Fukushima disaster to be fair (about 20% of the troops stationed), but the vast majority didn't. Many of them were focused on evacuating their own families stationed in Japan, which accounts for another 7000 people not included in that 50,000 number. Those that did assist explicitly did not go anywhere near the areas that needed the most help (like Fukushima itself).

"145 members of special units called the Chemical Biological Incident Response Force (CBIRF) were dispatched to Japan, but their activities were limited to outside the 80-km radius from the Fukushima nuclear power plant; they went back home after staying for three weeks without doing anything other than waiting at the far area from the nuclear power plant."

Short Answer: Nothing Useful.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Article 9 of our constitution

Ironic given the U.S. was the one that commandeered the creation of said constitution

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

It really is; they wrote the entire thing and now are the biggest advocate for us to change it.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I am disappointed, but not surprised.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

let's be fair here, some of them also pollute the water supply with PFAS.

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are developing new advancements in the fields of racism and misogyny.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

That's where we get our used women's underwear.

Is it just so CIA assets have staging grounds in south america?

this sounds the most likely, they did this all the time during the cold war

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Yes. They likely provide plausible deniability for CIA activities. That, or it’s field training for the material taught at the school of the Americas, and/or liaisons with cartels

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

That's where we get our cocaine.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's most likely a joint drug taskforce.

EDIT: ~~Actually, I think most of these are troops deployed on United Nations peacekeeping assignments. Thats the only way Japan makes sense.~~ Nevermind, this is US troop deployments.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 50,000 we have here is actually all US troops, nothing UN-related about them. We just are that heavily occupied. It is consistently the single biggest topic for Okinawan politics because of all the problems they cause locally.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh I read the map wrong, I thought that was other countries deployments, as in JSDF troops deployed in peacekeeping missions.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Oh man, imagine if 50,000 JSDF troops were stationed in the US or something.

[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

That's where we get our sadness.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

guantanamo bay has the torture number

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

That's where we get our rocks off.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn, must be a party in Peru.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...

okay who has the jakarta method and killing hope links

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

You just gave me two more books to read!

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don’t understand why there are foreign military bases in other countries. Do they serve a purpose other than imperialism? Do they act like embassies for visitors? It just seems very odd to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

it's just colonialism

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • Bases in South America: control the “backyard” of America. Ensure that cartels discipline domestic labor and provide cheap labor and drugs without disrupting your own country too much
  • Bases in Europe: leading your white coalition, monitoring Russia, scaring the “civilized continent” into submission with “uncivilized” migrants and ideologies, deindustrialization
  • Bases in Africa: extremely important minerals and raw material for your empire, getting closer to China, enforce extreme poverty, combating Russian and Chinese influence
  • Bases in ME: control oil vassals to placate voters at home, funding and training of terrorists with oligarch support and domestic disdain - good for covert ops and election fear mongering, borders China, enforce extreme poverty
  • Bases in Asia: surround China, provoke China, control South Korea and Japan
  • Bases in Australia: close to China, launching zone
[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

So you see, as someone with a heart and soul I view using the military for purposes such as securing minerals and raw materials as a huge waste and downright stupid. Wouldn’t diplomats and form of “Soft Power” be better suited for this area?

When it comes to what military bases are used for in other parts of the world, specifically for preparing war against China and escalations with Russia, I have no real alternative except maybe just don’t do that. Take your troops back home and leave everyone alone. It’s naive and maybe juvenile but so is putting basses around the world to provoke violence.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the most frustrating things as a communist is seeing so many resources that could be used for common good being devoted to fucking colonialism

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It’s unfortunate people still buy into the whole “fighting for your freedom” thing.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this complete? I would be sure it was a base in Colombia.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago

No, the map was selected highlights (doesn’t add to 750 if you look at numbers even approximately)