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Lemmy World Rules

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Premise:

Day and Queen Sareth make an announcement. Tellem sows seeds of distrust between Gaal and Hari. Hober Mallow reaches his destination.

Directors:

Alex Graves

Writers:

David S. Goyer, Josh Friedman
EPISODE RELEASE DATE
S02E06 - Why the Gods Made Wine Aug 18th, 2023 on Apple TV+
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[–] Doublepluskirk@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Getting whiplash with how many times Seldon is dying and being resurrected ATM. Even if this is a fake out, it's getting a bit much

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could be real this time, they don't need this Seldon anymore now that the seeds of the Second Foundation have been sown.

True, but from a storytelling perspective, it doesn't make sense to me to bring him back without explanation just to kill him off the next episode. Its jarring

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

He hasn't really told Gaal his plan yet, even though she saw most of it and can infer much from the prime radiant.

But I think he was given a body precisely so that Tellem would read him and see that he was actually not a threat to them but their greatest potential ally.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Jesus was dead for 3 days and then reborn.

Seldon is going for the opposite record.

[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not as heavy in the Empire as I would have liked. Really interesting to see a darker side to Seldon.

[–] Doublepluskirk@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll admit. The empire stuff is what is keeping me in the show. Lee Pace is excellent!

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also keep wondering how long they're going to sit on Demerzel before we find out her story. She's either the last of her kind, or there are many of them still out there hiding in plain sight. And she acts loyal, but it would be naive to think she didn't have an agenda of her own, possibly having something to do with the missing memories of all the Cleons.

Yeah, we've already seen she is willing to take action against Dawn and Dusk, as she's more loyal to Day. She's also clearly pissed at Day for using her religion for his benefit and forcing her to kill that religious leader. I think her ultimate allegiance is to the genetic dynasty itself, so Day moving to end it is what forces her to act against him.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is the TV series compared to the books?

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're very different animals. The series basically takes the books as a setting and a very general overall story structure, along with a few key characters, and the rest is spinning out very differently. And that's okay, because trying to do a 1:1 translation to the screen would not work at all.

Asimov was more interested in the big ideas than he was in the emotional lives of the characters, and this show is conversely more invested in the ways these situations affect its characters than to spending too much time on the big crazy sci-fi concepts which serve as its backdrop.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Barely connected.

I personally advise you to hold off starting till maybe this season finale, or just do the seasons in a binge.

The beginnings of the seasons seem really, really bad, borderline unwatchable at times, then somehow turn on a dime to pretty cool sci-fi.

[–] __v@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The secret to watching Foundation is to fast forward anything that isn't Empire.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

... I mean... you're not wrong.

I actually don't mind salvor, she's... interesting, at least when her idiot mom isn't around.

Just wish she wasn't as passive, Gaal is somehow the leader even though she has 0 fucking clue what she's doing or where she's going, and is in a panic most of the time.

Her best idea this season so far has been "I don't know what we should do next, I got it, Dr. Seldon, you need to choke me, and keep choking me until I pass out... no, it's OK, I don't need a safe word... daddy."

[–] exscape@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hm, I thought the beginning of S2 was really quite good.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The first 2 episodes on an unpopulated water planet where they're hanging out on a magic wooden raft that's somehow survived a century of megahurricanes?

The magic pixie dream girl who is all-knowing yet constantly indecisive and neurotic, having to be calmed down and cared-for by her actually functional daughter?

Don't get me wrong, outside of Gaal the other plots weren't that bad, but she was the worst part of s1 and like I said the story got pretty good once she was no longer part of it.

Needs more poly and constance, they're fun. Honestly how bad can a scene be when Jared Harris himself can't save it?