Again... what?
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Same here, I didn’t really understand what the screenshot was going on about.
It was posted in a thread about lemmy.world blocking !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Still 'What?', but a little less so, I guess.
Yea, it's the from the thread in this community even but that context doesn't really help all that much, Lemmy is a strange place!
I'm not sure either, but I guess, classic liberalism refers to what is actually the root for the modern liberalism. And that is the 18th century "we want a nation and no government to interfere in our business" way of thinking.
The race realism probably refers to the "I'm not racist, but black people can't be that smart if they're all poor and in prison" mindset.
All in all, the post probably means conservative/reactionary and economically-liberal people, in US speak, that would be republicans.
It might help to realize, that "liberal" means "pro-business" almost everywhere except the anglosphere.
Thanks for the explanation, but that's not where my confusion is. What is the context? Why is this posted in mildlyinfuriating? This is just some person saying stuff™
For as much screenshots as I see about people complaining about racism and sexism on Lemmy, they never seem to actually include the screenshots of the offending text.
I don't know what you mean with "offending text", this one just looked funny and really stupid to me so I immediately had to think of this community and made a screenshot...
wanna talk about it?
I will say, for one, this is being sarcastic, and for two, when anyone talks about the "libs" from an instance like mine, we are punching right - we sit to the left of liberals
Liberal refers to a spectrum of ideas centered around the freedome of the indivitual and not a political agenda, if you are left you certainly believe in liberal ideas even if you don't realize it and that doesn't make you neo/market liberal which is probably what you mean. The stupidity of that comment originates from the fact that the idea of human races is racist tho and he doesn't seem to realize that flaw at all!
Liberal refers to a spectrum of ideas centered around the freedome of the indivitual and not a political agenda
I mean centering the freedom of the individual is very much a political agenda in any capacity, but especially the implementations of that agenda liberals support.
I'm not even opposed to the freedom of the individual; freedom of the collective certainly requires freedom of the individuals in that collective to live, act, communicate, and think, amongst other things. Liberalism in all its forms does not respect the freedom of the individual when that freedom is inconvenient for capitalists, or more generally capitalism as a system.
if you are left you certainly believe in liberal ideas even if you don't realize it
The idea of liberalism as a "neutral" or non-ideology based solely on "following the facts" to their "logical conclusion" without any additional subjective assumptions needs to be unceremoniously rejected [1] wherever it rears its ugly head. Similarly, the idea that capitalism is a neutral, natural phenomenon that spontaneously arises when people are free is needlessly prescriptive at best and completely wrong at worst, so similarly must be rejected unceremoniously.
Liberalism requires strong, unrealistic assumptions about how people work for its arguments to hold any water. Coincidentally, just a coincidence I swear, liberal policies based on these assumptions just happen to overwhelmingly benefit the people in power, specifically capitalists and the liberal politicians who broker their power. It is unthinkable that these unrealistic assumptions could be deliberately chosen to lead to the conclusions that capitalists want to brainwash people into accepting peacefully.
that doesn't make you neo/market liberal which is probably what you mean.
No, I mean liberal in all its costumes. All of them. Liberals deserve no charity for their arguments because they so quickly lend their voices to people who least of all are in need, particularly of a mouthpiece. Coincidentally, just a coincidence for sure, definitely no relation, liberals are always the loudest voices in the room screaming that we should make no changes for those who are most in need.
[1] For example, we would unceremoniously reject the idea that "the Sun doesn't exist in any form" because it obviously contradicts the lived experiences of everyone. Difference is, there isn't a powerful group of people who would benefit from people believing that.
I’m a lefty and most certainly don’t believe in liberal ideas. I’ve seen how they fucked up my country over the years, yet people keep voting for them. It’s insane. Granted, liberals are the right wing of politics over here (with only proto-nazis and hardcore racists to the right of that).