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    [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows?

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Technically it was just a Microsoft Tech Evangelist that said that, in a non official capacity, and I'm pretty sure the sales people took him to the torture chamber after that.

    From a technical point of view, there was nothing stopping Microsoft from making Windows 10 a rolling release, so I can see how some naive fools might have convinced themselves that their employer wouldn't be shitty to their users for the first time ever.

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    at some point we'll be renting windows, not buying it. so there will be a "last windows you'll ever buy". if microsoft had their way, we'd be at that point now (they've run trials on subscription-based windows way back in the early win7 days). but us lowly users are probably 'safe' until whatever's after 12.

    [–] Perfide@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would agree if not for the fact they keep making it easier to get windows for free. I haven't bought windows in over a decade, activation is easy af, the days of sketchy malware riddled keygens are long gone.

    The truth is worse, imo. They don't need individual consumers to pay for the OS, OEM licenses are where they make bank anyways. At the consumer level, you're never gonna sell enough copies, even on a subscription model, to profit more than you would be from giving it away for free, getting everyone using it, and then simply selling their data until the end of time.

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    [–] SirShanova@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

    Tbf, Windows 11 is just Windows 1X…

    [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Windows 12: Paintbrush now comes with ads to Microsoft's subscription AI Paintbrush service. Also bucket fill is now a $0.49 DLC.

    [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "What to make quick copies of certain areas of the image? Buy 100 packs of both 'Copy' and 'Paste' tokens now on sale in the Microsoft store! Each use of Copy or Paste function uses only 1 token. Make sure you stock up for 'Back to School'!"

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

    And don't forget! you have to pay to shut down your pc!

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    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

    That's going to be in the free upgrade to Windows 10 and 11. Back porting some critical features to old, but still supported releases, is an essential part of good customer support.

    [–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't let your guard down. Maybe this time they'll fully pull the TPM/UEFI trigger and make it impossible to install any other OS on new PCs... they have lots of leverage over manufacturers to tighten the screws on the BIOS and boot process.

    [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The European Commission would appreciate the multi billion euro "donation" from Microsoft if they did something so obviously anti competitive.

    [–] DetectiveKakuna@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I agree, but also when has a threat of a fine ever stopped a capitalist from doing what they want? They just call it the cost of doing business.

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    [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    I don't think they would hard shoot themselves in the foot like that thankfully/sadly? idk my opinions on it. They would start with company graded devices before doing a consumer lockdown, since they are less apt to get massive backlash from that, they have tried already and backtracked iirc with lenovo systems

    [–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I hope you're right. But the only reason it hasn't gone as far as it has it because everyone watches them and pushes back. I remember the ARM-based Windows laptops they tried pushing, which had fully-locked bootloaders (WinRT?) That's their endgame...

    [–] MickeySwitcherooney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Win 12 is obligated to be good due to the "every other version of Windows" rule, which has been true forever.

    [–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Windows 11 has tabbed file explorer, a package manager, it's quick, the interface looks nice and feels nice, and it's been really stable for me. I don't know where the complaints are at, it's been great. All they need to do is regress all of the ads-in-your-OS stuff from 10. Bring back the start menu that doesn't hang for 30 seconds looking something up online before showing you your installed programs.

    [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    (They're not going to regress that)

    (They'll add more)

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    [–] requiem@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Kindof proud to say I never installed anything after Windows 10, including that.

    [–] Bogasse@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Same after Windows 8.1 ! 🥳

    I've had to use Windows 11 a tiny bit for work and it was the most painful experience I had for a while. Most apps I used on there had obvious bugs, like the VPN chosen by my company requiring me to reboot every time it goes to sleep ...

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    [–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
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    [–] Lightning66@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Windows 12 dev employee: what if ... what if... We break the taskbar into bits.

    Wait wait wait.... I think we can uh... maybe just maybe not add bloat... Turns around to see the employer.... Gulp

    Turns back to screen... Adding bloat is always the answer... Right boss?

    [–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago

    I am waiting for an taskbar, entirely replaced by bing chat. You will never find anything with seconds of the delay, besides internet websites and is horrible to use with bad internet. Offline mode will also not be available anymore, because Microsoft needs funktion critical telemetry

    [–] visak@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

    The Start menu will now be hosted in SharePoint Online so that your shortcuts are available everywhere!

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    [–] art@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows.

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    ..before the year of the Linux desktop

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    [–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Okay I'm not very technical but I hate Microsoft with every fiber of my being and want desperately to break from them but can't bring myself to switch my regular and gaming PCs to Linux. It just feels like too much work like I'd be starting over and most of all I just fear change. Is there a good YT series/channel or blog or something I can check out that might make things a little less intimidating?

    [–] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Dude, with the exception of Gamepass, Linux gaming is really easy.

    If you're okay with Redhat/Fedora, using Nobara Linux (it's a spin-off, unofficial, but by the guy who does a lot of the Proton [magic compatibility sauce] stuff, GloriousEggroll, who AFAIK is a dev at RedHat) literally installs everything you need.

    Steam → Steam
    GoG/Epic → Heroic Launcher
    Amazon/Blizzard → Lutris
    Gamepass → You have to use the cloud version with Edge browser

    Click, install, game.

    There's only a few Anticheat PITA titles still (I believe Valorant is one) that won't work.

    [–] Ziro@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Notable to the list of titles that won't work is Destiny 2.

    Having said that, I've been using Linux as my daily driver for everything, including gaming, since June, and I haven't run into many issues. It's certainly worth the minor hassle entailed to get some titles to work, if only to get away from Windows 100%. You can always dual boot.

    If you aren't very technical, I would also consider Linux Mint. You won't always have access to the latest and greatest, but it's simple and very easy to learn if you're coming from Windows.

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    [–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

    Look at protonDB for game compatibility and try out a live USB with some easy to use linux version like Ubuntu. Most games will work except if they have anticheat.

    [–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You can have multiple operating systems installed and choose which one you want to use during boot. So just install GNU/Linux on a separate partition or a separate drive (a bit easier). Then try to use GNU/Linux as your main system. Install everything you need on it and configure it they want you want. Only switch to Windows when you absolutely have to. So you don't have to be a GNU/Linux expert right away and you can choose when to remove Windows. It can be a gradual change.

    I don't know any good videos for beginners, but you can just look up answers to specific problems when you need them. If you will still have Windows, there is nothing to worry about. You can always ask for help here as well. So don't wait and install GNU/Linux today! Choose the distribution you want to use, find a video on how to install it and start using it.

    Here is a link to a video explaining the Free Software movement if you are curious why this operating system was created https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM. Maybe it will motivate you.

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    [–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 14 points 1 year ago

    Probably only supports chromium browsers, such as the only browser you'll ever need Microsoft ~~Explorer~~ Edge™

    [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I have no idea what Windows 11 contains...

    [–] NetherFalcon@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    it's basically just windows 10 but reskinned, rebranded and released as a "new operating system"

    [–] suoko@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They added android apps, they're slowly switching to Linux. It's going to be EdgeOS, maybe based on arch instead of gentoo? :-D

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    [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    A start button that by default is not in the corner.

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    [–] s_s@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Each new version of Windows is just Microsoft trying to further tighten the screws on its captive userbase.

    They've not brought anything of real value to customers in years.

    [–] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

    outside of the more neutral/negative features people mentioned, some of the major additions is better windows snap management (presets for organizing windows on a screen, and adjusting window sizes), and tabbed folders. It's also meant to be used for windows subsystem for android for android app usage, but you can technically do that with windows 10 with some workarounds.

    [–] johnnybravo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
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    [–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It might be a problem to many of us if they do something stupid to GitHub...

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    [–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Since switching to Linux in 2007, I have touched Windows only when paid to do so. Each successive move by Microsoft has affirmed for me that I made the correct decision. At this point, I would just not use a computer at home if my only way to do so was with Windows on it.

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    [–] mdurell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

    Homer should be labeled "Red Hat" in this day and age.

    [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Ugh, 12 is announced already? Seems like we just got 11!

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