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    [–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can confirm it's a shitty metric. I once saved the company I was working at few millions by changing one line of code. And it took 3 days to find it. And it was only 3 characters changed.

    [–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    That's the curse and blessing of our profession: efficiency of work is almost impossible to measure once you go beyond very simple code.

    You can feel like a hero for changing three characters and finally fixing that nasty, or you can feel like an absolute disgrace for needing days to find such a simple fix. Your manager employs the same duality of judgement

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

    I feel like a hero in this particular case, it was a bug in a code that was written when I was still too young to even read. And no one knew how to run it. We didn't have access to the pipelines so no one knew how to build it and how to run it. It was a very obscure hybrid of C and PHP. I basically had to be the compiler, I went line by line through the whole codebase, searching for the code path that caused the error. Sounds easy enough, right? Just CTRL+click in your IDE. Wouldn't it be a shame if someone decided that function names should be constructed as a string using at least 20 levels of nesting where each layer adda something to the function name and then it's finally called. TL;DR it was a very shitty code.

    [–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    But did you add 3 characters? Gotta bump up that code count bruh.

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago

    Nope, removed 3, added 1.

    [–] stylist_trend@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

    I wrote a program that does nothing but busy loop on all cores. stylist_trend/Linux is my favourite OS.

    [–] starman@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Then this: :(){ :|:& };: is most important code in existence.

    [–] stylist_trend@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

    What you refer to as Linux, is actually called Forkbomb/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calli-[Process Killed]

    [–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 3 points 1 year ago

    No, he doesn't. He suggests that there are Linux systems with no GNU code, like one I'm replying from, and whether "no" meant "no SLOC" or "no instructions spent executing" or "no packages" absolutely doesn't matter.

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    [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Been running a Linux based os for coming up on two years. I still definitely do not care about this.

    [–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

    Been running a Linux based os for coming up on twenty years. I still definitely do not care about this.

    [–] style99@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ubuntu: "Linux"
    Fedora: "Linux"
    Arch: "Linux"
    Gentoo: "Linux"
    Slackware: "Linux"
    Debian: "Free Operating System"

    [–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There's more truth to that than most people realize: Linux is only one kernel option in Debian:

    Debian GNU/kFreeBSD

    Debian GNU/NetBSD

    Debian GNU/Hurd

    [–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Debian: "Libre Operating System"

    FTFY

    [–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] jadegear@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago
    [–] Hallainzil@startrek.website 29 points 1 year ago
    [–] traches@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    But the compiler is GNU!


    If you compile windows with GCC is it gnu/windows?

    [–] Jerrimu2@startrek.website 16 points 1 year ago

    There are distros with GNU, like alpine.

    [–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I honestly never cared about this, it's the first time I write something about that, but any Linux-based OS is made of countless different software. What limits the number of names to two? Why can't I call my OS OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux, then why not Wayland/OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux? That would be crazy. A single recognizable name is what makes it.

    Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.

    Not shitting on GNU at all, but this push for calling the OS Gnu/Linux seems futile

    [–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

    Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.

    It gets more complicated with microkernels, though because you literally can't run anything without some important processes running in userspace.

    [–] elxeno@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

    SystemD/Linux

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    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

    So, how's Hurd doing these days? If they want their own operating system, maybe they should release version 1.0 of their kernel.

    [–] dcat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

    Well, no surprise they have more lines of code. And that's even if you disregard printing help.

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    [–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is why Windows users don’t switch.

    [–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I used Linux for many years, I still run it for my personal projects. I'm sure it's not everyone but damn the community is toxic as hell to newbies. If something doesn't work it's your fault. Don't know what flatpak is? You're an idiot. How do I use X? Don't use X it sucks but also I won't provide alternatives. Linux just works now open up terminal and type these flags to mount your external drive correctly so other programs can see it.

    I love the power and customization but it's a confusing world at times with unhelpful people.

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    [–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

    Some guy got mad at me for referring to linux as GNU/Linux in a post clearly making fun of him for being a huge shit head to someone earnestly trying to do something on Linux and failing. Never address any of the criticisms, just called me an idiot and a liar. SOME linux users are their own worst enemy if they want wider adoption.

    [–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    holds up linux os without gnu software WHATS THIS THEN HUH?!

    [–] Kirbo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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    [–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

    Take a look at Alpine, Void, and (most importantly) Chimera Linux.

    [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

    Gnu+Linux+Arch+KDE

    [–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 5 points 1 year ago

    Does GNU userspace even make the top-3 Linux userspaces?

    [–] grue@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

    throws chair "Fine, it's just GNU then!"

    [–] dukk@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

    Alpine Linux: what’s up, guys?

    [–] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    The shortest proper name is GNU.

    Inb4 Alpine, which is just called "Linux" internally.

    People use terrible words in CS and engineering in general. Doesn't mean we don't challenge them.

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I mean, GNU wants to be called an operating system but it can't talk to hardware.

    [–] starman@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Linux want to be called an operating system but it's a kernel.

    if only there was a way to combine these two...

    [–] Gork@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

    With a / obviously

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    [–] lasagna@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] Speiser0@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I use arch/linux, btw.

    As a german I also use Arsch, btw., for sitting.

    [–] lasagna@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Arch/linux = 0.5 or so right

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    [–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

    So much corporate bootlicking in this thread. People don't seem to know what GNU and Linux actually stand for and the importance of the free software movement, all they see is a fancy Windows alternative where they can run the same stupid proprietary programs and in the end contribute to the loss of software freedom just as much as a useless Microsoft consumer. People here are even openly hostile to GNU despite it being possibly the most important component in ensuring that free software remains free. I feel like our operating systems are being hijacked by little children with no responsibility for which GNU/Linux only serves mundane, corporately induced needs, and they don't see the political and idealistic dimension at all.

    I'd like to interject for a moment........ STALLMAN, Richard

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