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US's Blinken says no to any Ukraine peace deal that doesn't include total Russian withdrawal (apnews.com)
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“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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[–] borari@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This will obviously not happen, so I don’t know why people keep repeating this as if it has any meaning.

Why does Ukraine bear all the responsibility in ending a war started by Russia?

Until the west starts holding itself accountable, it has no moral ground to judge others.

That’s rich, coming from someone who lives in the West. To be fair explicitly clear, I don’t agree with the lack of accountability in the west. I don’t agree with Bush’s foreign policy, I don’t agree with the expansion of drone strikes by Obama, I don’t agree with the Iranian assassination ordered by Trump, and I don’t agree with Biden’s use of drone strikes.

You seem to be under the impression that the sins of the US absolve Putin and his troops. It just makes them all terrible. I can see that we’ll never agree to anything here, so I’ll bring some clojure to it on my end at least and just stop responding. I can’t say I’ve enjoyed our conversation, but I’m appreciative of the opportunity to have had it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Why does Ukraine bear all the responsibility in ending a war started by Russia?

This isn't about bearing responsibility, it's about dealing with the real world. Ukraine is not able to defeat Russia in this war. That's just a simple fact. Whatever the west is doing is not going to change the outcome. You don't have to take my word for it. This is literally what Obama stated back in 2016:

Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “**The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.((”

You seem to be under the impression that the sins of the US absolve Putin and his troops.

I've never stated anything of the sort. You seem to equate honestly discussing the causes for the war with moral support.