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[–] Tar_alcaran@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its a herbicide, it's supposed to cause damage to biodiversity by eliminating unwanted plants. That's the whole point of them, all herbicides do this.

The neurotoxicity (as far as from what I've seen from the very public lawsuits) seems to be when applicators are doing things like getting doused in it, or mixing it with their bare arms. Granted, the people who sold it said they could, so you can't blame them. But there's a massive difference between "dangerous when you shower in it" And "dangerous if you eat plants that once touched it".

I'm open to being corrected on either point, but right now the alternatives are worse for the environment than the glyphosate is.

[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And that's why Bayer needs to spent millions to lobby this.

It's not just eliminating unwanted plants, it eliminates biodiversity including needed plants and insects.

It is not containable to the field you bring it on, so it kills plants far away from the fields too, it is in the end in our food and in wildlife and worse, it is part of a cycle that makes it hard to go back to a more environmental and climate friendly way of producing food, which we desperately need to do.

Once you start the cycle you need to buy Glyphosate, need to buy specific plants that get not eliminated by that plant killer (none of them do provide food for insects or if they do kill them), need to buy specific fertilizer, without these plants won't grow and on top this is so expensive that you need to get the most out of your field which means using a huge machine park which hardens the ground which then dries out easily, needs a lot of ground water and can't deal with heavy rainfall and on top is one reason we lose valuable humus that gets washed away.

It is bad for the rich Western countries, it is literally turning places into deserts in the developing world right now. It is not where we need to go and on top of all of that there is a risk of cancer that again they "could not complete a risk assessment" for.

[–] knusprig@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

That is not entirely accurate as far as I understand from a friend who farms different crops. He said he has the choice between tilling a field to get rid of weeds and spraying it. Glyphosate is active on the living plants on that field, so all weeds die (as they would if he were tilling), but the soil remains fertile as it is not dug up and dried out. A week after spraying, the effect is gone and he can start planting.

Special hybrid crops with glyphosate resistance are expensive because they increase the yield and enable you to spray pests while the crop is growing without killing the crop. You might as well plant conventional seeds after spraying glyphosate, but you can’t fight weeds with glyphosate after you have planted.