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The US was involved in WWII from the beginning. They were just on the side of the Nazis. The State only intervened openly in the end to prevent the spread of communism. Then they made sure to rescue as many Nazis as possible and put them in positions of power in West Germany, the EU, and NATO, etc.
Since that war, the US has been doing 'what they pleased', exactly what the Nazis and what Japan would've done. To this day the US tortures, runs concentration camps, and brutally oppresses billions of people around the world.
Those who argued for the US to stay out were right then, and are still right today.
Gotcha, we'll put you down in the "should have let the Nazis win" column then.
I think you've seriously misunderstood what I said.
I'm really struggling to see how you have interpreted support for the Nazis from this comment.
Nevertheless, this is clearly an unconstructive conversation, so I shall end it here.
No that's not what I was trying to say. Almost the exact opposite.
I think, perhaps, we're talking past one another.
I was clearly not referring to any US anti-fascism movement or to anyone who wanted to intervene earlier to stop Hitler. I'm fairly sure I clarified that I am not sympathetic to Nazis. I wish they had never got a foothold and I wish they were stopped sooner.
I was referring to those in the US who materially and ideologically supported the fascists. If they had not got involved, the Nazis may not have got a foothold and they may have been stopped sooner.
The US did eventually help to end the war and defeat the Nazi party's rule. Commendable stuff.
The US state was motivated by a desire to stop the Soviets at Berlin, however, rather than to stop fascism. After the war, in the same spirit, the US intervened to rescue Nazis and install them in positions of power as a bulwark against communism. Rescuing 'ex'-Nazis and giving them command of NATO forces was a bad idea.
I thought this was clear in what I wrote before, but I see how some of it was implied rather than explicit.
How could you possibly expect anyone to gleam "By my very narrow and specific definition of what 'getting into the war' means... somethingsomething the people who were against the American Nazis who wanted to aid the German Nazis were right?" out of what you wrote???
At either rate, yes we're in agreement there. That's not anything like the argument that this thread was about though.