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OMG guys americabad amirite
This could apply to any number of countries and it's getting kinda tedious. It's like a bunch of American teenagers just learned that their history books aren't telling the whole story and literally cannot stop talking about it. You hit college level history, congratulations, good for you champ.
More likely it's a bunch of Kremlin and CCP LLMs spreading hate.
I dare you to read through my profile to see how unique half of what I write is. I post this type of thing all the time because we are WAGE SLAVES to a terrorist empire that makes the nazis look cute and ethical. The ones attacking this type of message are the unoriginal LLM bots. Not saying you in particular.
edit: I don't know the exact toll, so lets say the Nazis killed 30 million. You shouldn't assume that the American empire isn't worse just because you haven't learned about whats the US has done. There are active genocides and historic ones they have massively been involved with(or orchestrated). Lot's of wars without valid cause, and economic murder.
Not only is that statement extremely hyperbolic, it's deeply offensive to victims of the Nazis
We have a current blockade, sanctions and war against Yemen to prevent their oil sales, which are at Saudi Arabian levels of "easy to extract and mass sell". The US war fleet that was parked out there(don't know if it still is) was preventing them physically from exporting oil to buy food. This is one small example of the active genocides the US is leading or has led. They had involvement in the Indonesian genocide, Cambodian genocide and I really cant be bothered citing more.
Sanctions in general impoverish and kill many. They are a type of light economic mass murder.
Just the covid deaths from conservative leadership adds to the death toll of capitalism under the American empire.
FYI I'm against China and Russia too, but I realise I'm being deceived heavily and can only hold superficial views.
Edit: I didn't address it.
I have more respect to the victims of Nazis than you can comprehend. I don't think what Nazis did is little, I think what we actively do and did, is MUCH WORSE.You haven't cited anything. You've made reference to them at best. Saying a thing is not citing it.
So then things like Russia sanctions are bad too? If so what do you suggest as an alternative? If not when do you draw the line?
You made that clear, but you didn't really express how. Have we been responsible for more death? More negative impact to lives? If that, how is it measured? Does it make a difference how much time it has been going on? If we've killed less per year is that better?
If one guy kills your family in front of you, but the other pokes you with a needle every day of your life, who do you have stronger feelings about? Who is the bigger villain?
Yes, America has a history of being terrible, and it doesn't look like it's stopping any time soon, but it's just the most obvious, current bad guy. That doesn't make it the biggest in history or now. That doesn't excuse current practices, but it also doesn't mean hyperbole (real or perceived) is going to help you.
I'm not going to reply to new lines of thought, I don't feel you replied to anything I have said in good faith.
For example, misusing the word "citation" isn't noteworthy, but yes I misused it, pretend I said mention or reference. You didn't respond to the US artificial famine in Yemen that is active today at all.
I didn't anticipate you talking about Russian or Chinese sanctions and wasn't thinking that way. I don't think sanctions against Russia or China are good or bad, I have no opinion because of the massive propaganda that's too hard to sift through.
I was mentioning sanctions in regard to oil rich nations like Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Yemen. Just like the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the wars and sanctions that I have looked into more, are clearly to prevent oil sales at the expense of starving children and causing unneeded suffering.
That's fine. I don't feel like you're here in good faith either, so I guess we're on equal footing.
I disagree. It's a misrepresentation. These are common in your rhetoric, like your position on sanctions, but we'll get to those in a moment.
Or any other genocide the US has participated in, but you choose to specifically call out this one.
Then perhaps you should be more careful with your language choices. You said sanctions are bad, but these ones aren't. Yet you didn't address where the line is for you, despite just admitting these ones aren't bad. Whether they're good or not is, presently, immaterial.
No, you mentioned sanctions. You may have intended to be more specific, but you weren't. No one else knows what is in your mind so if you want to discuss things in a productive manner you need to be able to do effectively. Saying one thing and meaning another is not that.
Are not the entirety of the wars and sanctions that have been taken. If I judge you only by your worst actions would that be fair? This is by no means a claim that the US is any one thing or another, but pointing out that you can't pick and choose when you're trying to make a judgement of morality.
I will point you at any international policing action ever. Do you think innocent German children in the 1940s felt no repercussions from the war? The same question works in the 19-teens and following. Whether they're right or not, unless you've got a better solution, they are, on occasion, necessary. Innocent have suffered because of the actions of the powerful, both above them and against those above them, for as long as there have been people. In the words of John Lennon, "you say you've got a real solution? We'd all live to see the plan".
I don't know where you'll separate new lines of thought from existing ones. I frankly don't care. You can reply to everything or nothing. It's more important that you come to understand you do not have the position you appear to think you do. I doubt you'll get there today, but I hope you can at some point.
Log off, put your phone in a blender, and go outside.
Edgy.
Well yeah… in lots of ways.
Good in others, as an Australian who traveled there the average American is great. I just think you’ve been intentionally fragmented and manipulated. So there are large groups of people who want their country to change but cannot seem to find common ground and band together to strengthen those ideas.
Then you have such powerfully rich and crazy groups that seem to be able to rule the narrative
Had to check to make sure I wasn't on Reddit again.
I had to check too cause "americabadamirite" complaints are basically peak Reddit since the Digg migration and shortly after.
Before then, I feel like I remember it being a lot less defensive about people daring to...criticize America
Hah
There's a huge difference between "lol le dum fat burger chez merica" and commentary about the history of the country and the patterns, systems, and dark truths that made it what it is today. Is there any one element in this meme that you'd argue is false?
War we are pretty bad at it. Like the last time we actually tried we nuked Japan twice. We couldn't even take over Vietnam since Nixon had a hardon for mao and didn't want to make him angry. Or that time the un told us not to make an irradiated cobalt dmz in Korea so we ended up with whatever the fuck is going on now.
We are also pretty bad capitalists, unless chronyism is capitalism?
We are also pretty bad at genocides unless we are dragging up stuff from over 100 years ago?
Also, we learned about the genocide of the natives in high school, and this topic is written about extensively by American academics, and I can order books about it freely. Meanwhile, the world's autocrats build entire generations around denying fundamental history until they've twisted themselves in such circles that they need to censore entire portions of the internet to keep up the charade.
Lol. Now do Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes
Iraq and Afghanistan... first gulf war Iraq fucked around and found out... Second time the USA got angry and then kind of forgot what was going on for a decade. We are pretty bad at the occupy and imperialism thing.
Afghanistan was dumb the USA could of genocided the people but spent trillions trying to spread liberal democratic ideas to people who didn't care. I guess that's imperialism?
Real imperialists would still be occupying them and purged the population not wasted trillions of dollars to try to make them more liberal then left...