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Excluding something like the suspiciously-timed Bucha Massacre, how would I deal with the regular atrocity propaganda? Maybe some comparison to other attacks by Ukraine would be fine.

Note- hopefully I don't sound like I'm acting in bad faith intentionally.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this specific case for instance they neglect to mention that the actual strike was conducted on a gathering of high ranking Ukrainian commanders and NATO "advisors". They literally posted pictures and video of this place full of soldiers both before and after. It is also not the restaurant that was struck but the hotel right next to it where the meeting was taking place. And the fact that the Kiev regime regularly uses civilians as human shields is nothing new. But really you don't need to bother to get into this much detail. The fact is that the Nazis still regularly shell purely civilian areas in the Donbass - now with western weapons - for no other reason than impotent rage over the fact they are losing. As long as the supporters of the Kiev regime refuse to acknowledge and condemn this there is no reason to take any of their complaints about what Russia may or may not be doing seriously.

Of course we could also get into how the pro Kiev propagandists regularly fabricate civilians deaths where there were none or much fewer, they will try to pass off their soldiers or intelligence agents as civilians, they will claim something was done by Russia when in fact it was Ukraine (as with the Ukrainian AD rockets failing and hitting their own buildings), and in general simply projecting their own losses, their own crimes and their own twisted mentality onto the Russians. A good rule of thumb is to simply invert whatever they say about Russia because it will usually be true about Ukraine. But as i said, there is no need to engage in this level of depth for the most part. Don't allow dishonest propagandists to put you in a position where you have to be the one defending and apologizing.

You know they are bullshitting so why accept their framing of the events? Of course it's good to do your own investigations and try and find out what really happened but sometimes this may not be possible, and in this case it is easy to fall into the trap of accepting the "facts" offered by the other side. This is a fallacy. Their track record of dishonesty is well documented. Assume they are lying until proven otherwise.