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Ukraine coup government did. They attacked Donbass in 2014, starting civil war. Donbass called Russia for help to which they answered, but 8 years later.
It was naturally escalation, but hardly starting the aggression in Ukraine. I won't even mention USA having significant role in the coup in the first place and then NATO arming Ukraine during the entire civil war.
Yeah, I know. But the word "aggression" is (intentionally, hats off to US propaganda) vague; the user I was responding to interpreted it as "launching an attack into a territory generally recognized as foreign", so I'm going with that definition. I generally do not argue on terminology, since it's not practical to do so. But thanks for the heads up!
That definition is pretty vague too, it just move the weight from "agression" to "attack" which is also not very defined, but if it is exluding internal conflict for some weird reason, in that case it would be USA taking big part in couping the democratically (or at least the most democratically in the history of independent Ukraine) elected president.
Well, you're really damn right. But lately I've found it easier to just sidestep the whole "aggression" thing altogether than argue on that, where I would have most certainly hit a wall. So, "yeah, sure, scary Russkie man did the bad, now let's move on to the important stuff". I've come to like doing it like this more.
It definitely ease up discussion with those types, but by aquitting the origin of events, you just end up on their position. The guy you discuss know this extremely well, he will go to extreme lenghts to not admit there was even a US-sponsored coup in 2014 because if he admit it his entire narration will crumble into dust.