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This is complete BS and you know it. This war will only end when Russia decides it has had enough of their current imperialist conquest.
Complete BS is what you're peddling here. The reality is that there will likely not be an Ukraine left at the end of the war, and this might turn into a full on global war and a nuclear holocaust. The imbeciles in the west who continue to support this war thinking that they can dominate Russia instead of sitting down and negotiating are driving us towards extinction.
And you just have to look at whom the rest of the world is aligning with to see who is on the right side of history here. There's a reason that the global south is not toeing the line of western colonizers in this conflict.
Or when USA decides no more free war machines. I also wouldn't call Russia's actions imperialist as everything going on in eastern Europe the Russian response to NATO expansion.
But I guess I'm just a liberal according to the tankies.
Thing is, from the US's standpoint this is, to put it coldly, a great cost-benefit ratio. The cost to the US has been chump change, with much of the transferred equipment nearing end of life anyway. Meanwhile, European allies are fiercely determined to make this very painful for Russia so there isn't a repeat performance.
If you buy the narrative about NATO expansion being equivalent to imperialism, sure. Or you could see it as a bunch of countries being afraid of Russia, so they joined NATO to gain protection. The narrative that NATO is going to attack Russia is simply wrong. It never has attacked Russia, and even with sending weapons to Ukraine it is supplying a nation purely with weapons against a foreign invader. Russia citizens could be immune from NATO supplied weapons tomorrow if Russia stopped the invasion.
You keep peddling this bullshit, but RAND literally published a paper that contradicts your narrative https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf
They're imperialist though. Putin is raging about restoring the old Soviet bloc and these states not having a justification for existing outside Russia. And then invading another sovereign country with that excuse can't get more imperialist.
Both can be true the same time. The Russian response is clearly imperialist because they consider eastern Europe to be part of their empire and thus fight against another empire trying to pull these now independent countries to their side. But that is IMHO no justification for invading another country, especially when these now independent countries have every reason to be suspicious of their former Russian colonizers.
Well when a 'democatic' state next to yours undergoes a coup orchestrated by western powers at the behest of the global banking system and a bunch of people there call bullshit on it and ask for your help what do you do?
This "coup" wasn't really one, but sure the US tried to influence the outcome of this revolution to their benefit.
As for "asking for help", I can tell you this is not true. I personally went to Ukraine last year to provide humanitarian aid and spoke to many Russian speaking Ukrainians fleeing the Russian attacks. They clearly were not happy with the Ukrainian state either (obviously), but they definitely did not ask the Russians to invade their country and bomb their homes.
It was a coup, and this is a well documented fact that is even widely cited in western sources. The fact that you keep trying to lie that it wasn't in face of all evidence, really says a lot. https://archive.ph/BAxYc
and maybe you should've talked to these people in Donbas your nazis buddies have been shelling since 2014 https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
Sure continue your armchair arguing based of Russian propaganda from far away Canada. You are just making a clown of yourself.
However he is likely correct in this context. To deny the possibility of CIA involvement in the 2014 coup is to ignore all the other governments they have helped to overthrow around the world. Dividing populations by furthering the cultural divide between ethnic groups is literally right out of the CIA playbook.
I dont know if you've seen this but it really helps bring a lot into context. I can't get any liberals to watch it since anything with Putin speaking they instantly discredit by calling it Russian propaganda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs
He called it "Russian propaganda" right off the bat too, he really does eveything he can to prove he's just run of the mill proimperial lib
LMAO CNN and other western publications are now Russian propaganda because they contradict your bullshit. Labelling anything that doesn't fit the war narrative has been the most successful liberal propaganda strategy in the war so far. I think anybody reading this thread can tell who the actual clown here is.
Also, while I may live in Candada today, both my parents were born in Ukraine, so I'm pretty sure I know more about Ukraine than a piece of shit German liberal.
You know, maybe put up or shut up and come here and see for yourself instead of listening to your parent's soviet nostalgia and Russian BS propaganda.
I'm not the one cheering this war on. You're the one who should put up or shut up here. If you really feel the way you do go enlist in foreign legion and fight shoulder to shoulder with your nazi compatriots.
I am not "cheering this war on", quite the contrary. Stop making a clown of yourself, ah and please do not enlist with your fascist imperialist Russian friends, that is not what I mean with put up or shut up. But I am sure the actual anti-war effort could use your help here in Europe.
Simple question, do you think that the west should stop prolonging this war by sending weapons to Ukraine?
No (edit: no I don't think the west should send offensive weapons to Ukraine). But I think failure in this war is a unique opportunity for the Russian population to see what a shit fascist mafia state they ended up in and it might result in them rethinking their support for autocrats like Putin.
The reaction from the west told Russians everything they needed to know about this war. Any doubts people had that Putin might've been exaggerating the threat from the west were completely removed once the mask fell off and the west showed its true hate for Russians.
When USSR collapsed, Russians wanted nothing more than to be integrated into the western system. Instead, the west wanted to colonize Russia and extract resources from it. I personally lived through the hell that was 90s that was created by Yeltsin regime that US helped install. The current government in Russia is a direct result of western actions. Reap what you sowed.
The reality is that Russia will win this war, and Ukraine will likely be destroyed in the process. Countless thousands will die, and everyone will be worse off in the end. All because the west could not live with an independent Ukraine that was neutral between the west and Russia.
The fascist mafia that runs the west will make a lot of money in the process though.
I love how all you do is just regurgitate NAFO talking points.