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that's not a left/right divide. it's a right/further right divide. And even staunch conservatives follow (neo)liberal economics.
This is a flow chart from a leftists/socialist perspective
Socialism is defined as the working people either directly owning or democratically controlling the economy. I don't see how that is the case in any "socialist" country at the moment (speaking of the nordic ones, Portugal, China etc)
Hey hey hey now don’t bring us Nordic countries into this🥺
sorry to disillusion you but your system is capitalism with a nice coat of paint over it. It's still based on exploitation, imperialism, neo-colonialism and oil/fossil fuel money
Lmao you are literally the 'but that's not real socialism/communism' meme right now 🤣
Imma bring up an example to maybe explain it easier. North Korea calls itself the "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea". In their official understanding/rhetoric they have a democracy in which the administration acts in the interest of the people instead of a few bureaucratic elites. In reality it's the other way around. Now, if someone said "Look at what democracy does to a country!!11!", would you not object?
God damn that is an excellent, concise refutation of his tired point. Definitely going to borrow that argument in the future
yeah.. the cognitive dissonance hurts
They usually do this because other things depend on it, so it cannot collapse or they percieve it as such/ that that is important/ that for example workers can’t go somewhere else. They don’t see how the benefits don’t outweigh the risk.
This comment will not go down well here, this site leans left pretty heavily and it's easy to upset them lol
Where will you go when you realize the majority of people don't subscribe to the right wing scam?
...you say without giving a fact to base your comment.
Can you see that you're a hypocrite?
Your comment is retatded, btw.
While this is true, most left leaning people still know how economy works and why it should keep on working.
Germany is considered heavily left leaning nowadays. Especially in comparison to countries like the US. But that doesn’t mean that Germans are suddenly borderline communist.
lol, who in their right mind considers germany as left leaning?
Yankees.
I am German. And Bernie sanders was even more konservative than us.
Probably, but considering Germany as a left-leaning country is still rich.
It sounds more like your perception of Germany is a little displaced from reality.
It for sure is not. Germany is a social democracy. One of the most advanced in Europe.
Therefore Germany is heavily left leaning.
I don’t know what you would call the left at this point… Communism?
But the population and therefore our government which get voted from them is more conservative. And that's not even calculating the swing to the right. And the established far right networks our executive like police, military and intelligent services doesn't give a picture of a left leaning country. Germany had a good foundation, I give you that, but we have now decades of conservative governments who slowly undermined it.
So maybe left leaning if you compare it to an absolute monarchy, but if you differentiate and look closer, Germany is far from an left leaning country.
Not quite sure, are we talking about Germany now? Because SPD and Grüne is definitely not konservative. And the AfD, considering the sei g to the right, is actually more left leaning than the CDU and FDP considering the economical standpoints.
If we are still talking about Germany, Germany has reduced the Police and the Military over the last decades further and further. We currently have real issues now. No wonder that overworking policemen are leaning further to the right, to parties that would eventually enlarge the policeforce.
We should not forget that the SPD and CDU were once both considered the conservative parties. And most of the foundations you mention were build under their lead. It’s been a recent development that CDU and SPD became rather left leaning in their appearance, but simultaneously messing up the systems.
And here we drastically disagree. Germany is a heavily left leaning European country. And by European standard this also means globally.
At least 20% wants to vote fascist the next election and another 27% like to vote for the right leaning conservative party CDU/CSU. Germany is definitely not left leaning.
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Man, you don’t even know what facism means. Parts of my family survived national socialism in Austria, communism in Russia, and some fled from east Germany to west Germany a week before the wall was build. Leaving everything behind for a third time in their life.
Don’t use facism as a term if you have no idea what it is. Because the AfD is not a facist party. Some members (very few, but more than in other parties) might be considered racist. Their political belief ist rather libertarian. They are claiming to be for a system similar to the Swiss. At the same time they are advocating for highly conservative values (family, work, immigration and belief). So the AfD could be considered a highly konservative and tiny bit libertarian party. And still. Comparing the AfD to the Democratic Party in the US, then the AfD suddenly looks like left leaning. Just take a look at immigration laws by the Democratic Party.
And now addressing your claim that the CDU/CSU are right leaning conservatives: They are mild conservatives at best. The party changed a lot under Merkels influence. Their values are very similar to the slightly more konservative ÖDP (a clone party of die Grüne with more competent personnel - highly educated people).
And yes, Germany therefore is left leaning. As I already said. Germany is ultra left leaning from a US standpoint. And taking a look at the rest of Europe, one quickly realised that Germany is as well more left leaning than 80% of Europe. Even the Scandinavians are voting increasingly for right wing parties. Much more so than Germans.
This is also supported by the financial situation of the average citizen.
German citizens are on average much poorer than Italians for example. Even though Italy is less financially stable than Germany. This is due to their political beliefs. Germans are far more willing to pay more in taxes than Italiens for example.
In the name sure. In the party even are some left leaning politicians. But the body of it and our Bundeskanzler, are more centrist than left. The upholding of the status quo is more important for them than improving social situations and tackling leftist points like wealth inequality, so I personally wouldn't call them left leaning
It was just an example, I wasn't claiming that it is an exclusive talking point for the left. But then you still would probably agree that an party which ignores such problems isn't really leftist, nor liberal.