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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Whoever shuts down the government, loses. Republicans can't just veto the bill or not pass a budget. But they CAN pass something Democrats don't like and then blame Democrats for shutting down the government if they filibuster it. And voters WOULD blame Democrats, because they would be the party blocking the bill.

Run through the logic, after they stop this budget. Trump does whatever he wants while people blame Democrats, and eventually the Democrats cave and pass it anyway after allowing irreperable harm and harming their ability to take back the House in 2026, or they cave by letting Trump whatever he wants indefinitely.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.

What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.

Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.

There wasn't a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don't fall for it.

Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don't bother to even have a narrative let alone control one. They fight in a strictly performative way. So no matter what happens Republicans can always blame Democrats and without an alternative view point pushed people who aren't politically engaged are more likely to believe Republicans.

The ten Democrat Senators who voted for the CR do not care about winning. They care about raising their donors' stock portfolios.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.

If that's your actual stance, then none of what Schumer or any Democrat does, matters at all.

What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.

In what world is this the thing that matters? You're really saying fascists would do whatever they want regardless of all laws or institutions, but...not really, the one man holding them back was Chuck Schumer, minority leader in the Senate.

Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.

I see how you're getting here, he does fund raise from Democratic billionaires, but the Internet Leftist urge to just dismiss anyone with any political power as not ideologically pure enough and thus the enemy puts such a small ceiling on the movement in terms of actual political results. Nothing to do with this comment thread it's just something that annoys me.

There wasn't a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don't fall for it.

He flipped overnight, ok. What's the more likely scenario, he got some overnight polling that showed people were going to blame the Democrats for the shutdown so he switched out of political necessity, or he...secretly agreed with the Republicans the whole time but decided to pretend to oppose it for exactly one day for no reason.

Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don't bother to even have a narrative let alone control one.

Voters are not dumb, they just don't all agree with you politically. They blamed Congressional Republicans in the Ted Cruz shutdown over Obamacare, and they blamed Trump in the shutdown over the Wall. Because those are the people who caused it. In this case, it would be the Democrats forcing a shutdown.