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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago (7 children)

No.
If you fall back in front of the far right they will take that ground and demand more, as they always have done, and as they always will do. It's how they win, it's how they are winning, on trans rights, on immigration, on racial supremacy. Do not give them an inch. It's not "all or nothing" it's "give the bigots nothing".

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Ok, but what if you are not giving into demands, but stating your feelings that just happen to align, in that one area, with the right?

My point is that Trans issues have many different areas. Saying they’re wrong in one area does not mean you are abandoning trans people entirely and just as bad as the bigots that want harm done to them.

Just want to say, I don’t know all of what Newson has said, just read some articles that had 2 or 3 quotes. It’s hard to know what his overall opinions are, though.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The thing is you don't align with the far right. At least I hope you don't anyway. The far right either hate trans people, or they do not give a shit about them either way. They are using trans people as a political football to sow exactly this type of division. Yes, trans people in sport is an unresolved problem. No, I do not want the right wing to be the ones to resolve it. If you align superficially, you still don't want to cede to them. Bear in mind "align" only goes as far as saying "we can agree about this one sentence", not this whole issue.
Godwin's law is fucked these days so let's just use the third Reich as an analogy. You may agree that Germany has a legitimate territorial claim on Alsace-Lorraine. Does that mean you should let the Nazis take it? No, you fight them and then resolve it when someone more reasonable is asking. The reasons why should be obvious, and so should the analogy. It's not about whether the extremely superficial claim is "correct", it's about why they are saying it and what they plan to do if they get enough people to agree with them.
In this case, where the war is one of ideas, you're not a bigot if you agree in a very superficial way, but it's completely redundant to be talking about trans women in sport when all trans people are being stripped of their rights and it looks like things are getting worse. A year ago we were hoping (again) for the first female president; long overdue. That's not an issue anymore, as women are now being erased from history.

[–] DimlyLitFlutteringMoth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for making this post.

You've outlined exactly why allowing the far right to resolve perceived social issues isn't the way forward, especially when it comes to any sort of "minority" (which seems to be anything that isn't non-immigrant white Christian cis straight men) issues.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

Thanks for saying so, I'm glad that the message came across.

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