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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 14 hours ago (11 children)

Liberals are "the right" and they sure as hell don't believe 75% of the same things as leftists. Leftists in the west also don't really have the power to keep liberals out of power, hence why liberals have consistently been the only ones in power for decades. Liberals on the other hand, absolutely do have the power to keep leftists out, and they will go as far as allying with fascists to murder leftists in their beds.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world -4 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

Liberalism is literally and historically where the left begins. The right is authoritarianism and the left is liberalism to anarchism. Liberals are not leftists but it is a signof a distinct lack of education in political philosophy to claim liberalism as a right wing ideology.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Liberalism is the ideological basis of Capitalism. When Capitalism was a progressive force, ie during the French Revolution, it was considered left wing. Now that Capitalism has become entrenched and turned to Imperialism, the progressive side is undeniably Socialism, while liberalism entrenches the status quo.

Simply saying that liberalism at one point was progressive does not mean history has not had several centuries of shifts and developments since then.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You're being incredibly euro-centric with your claims here.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Your notion of where the modern divide lies is 100% European and won’t hold true when you consider all nations.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Liberalism is european in origin, as Capitalism first truly took hold there. It isn't the "modern divide" but the notion of Liberalism as a progressive motion or regressive motion.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism was first instituted by the first Liberal nation- the USA. Europe was mostly mercantilist

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

No, the mode of production creates the ideology, not the opposite.

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