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Ukraine's military is 980,000 soldiers strong, Zelensky says (kyivindependent.com)
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[–] fu@libranet.de -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

@Buffalox @Cephalotrocity conscription is immoral. If a cause is right and just you should be able to find volunteers. If you can't find volunteers perhaps you should rethink your mission.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your premise is flawed:

  • A cause can be right and just and people still not want to volunteer.
  • Ukraine's cause is right and just and they do have volunteers, just not as many as would be ideal,
  • Conscription is not immoral if it serves the greater Good, and in this case it absolutely does.

If your reasoning is that flawed you should rethink your allegiance to cowardice or russia, or both.

[–] fu@libranet.de 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

@Cephalotrocity you are incorrect. The market has decided that it is not right nor just or they would have volunteers. Russia also is not right nor just. War is a racket.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Says a lot that you use the market to decide what is right or just.

Edit: and they do have volunteers. For example, this is just for international volunteers

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

conscription is also necessary to solve for game theory in many cases

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

@fu Not a single state is fully moral. And not a single person does only moral choices during their entire life. Sometimes the most immoral choices are the right thing to do to achieve a just cause.

@Buffalox @Cephalotrocity

[–] fu@libranet.de 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

@petrescatraian @Buffalox @Cephalotrocity

No~~t a single~~ state is ~~fully~~ moral.

there I fixed it for you.

Sometimes the most immoral choices are the right thing to do to achieve a just cause.

this is the most bat shit crazy thing I have ever heard. Two wrongs never make a right mate.

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

@fu well, in math two values with minus added get you a vallue with plus ;)

@Buffalox @Cephalotrocity

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

... multiplied. 2 negatives multiplied equals a positive.