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Atheism Should Leave Its Transphobia Behind in the New Year (www.youtube.com)
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Not that there's anything good about this, but hearing that both Steven Pinker and Richard Dawkins "resigned" from whatever honorary positions they had with the FFRF rather made my heart sink.

I was a linguistics student for a time, and Pinker's books always had a sociolinguistic aspect to them, but I never saw transphobia. It was admittedly a while back, so it really wasn't yet settling into the national consciousness.

I also admired Dawkins' writing style; again, I saw nothing transphobic.

So for both of these guys to be like "nope, you should have totally kept a piece up that says transwomen should have fewer rights and options" is, maybe, the final insult of 2024.

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[–] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"No gods, no masters" also applies to demagogues like Pinker or Dawkins. Disconnecting an idea from the people associated with bringing it into your life can be difficult.

[–] LEVI@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Pretty sure it's "No masters, No slaves" but ok

[–] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 10 points 1 month ago

I have never heard this version. Still addresses elimination of heirarchy. Happy New Year and thank you.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think they meant ”No gods, no heroes, no idols“ though.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Never heard either of those. I've heard "no gods, no masters", but mainly in the context of anarchy.

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

And then as an anarchist heathen I've embraced "Many gods, no masters" because pagans in general are a more open minded and far less dogmatic group than atheists are as a group.

May I submit, also: "No Demagogues, No Managers" as a more modern, relevant and actionable version -- Combatting Populism and refusing to be "Just Following Orders", especially those of Fascists.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

And I have never heard that phrase before. Maybe it's a regional with these?