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cross-posted from: https://discuss.divergentparenting.space/post/29407

Take a moment and imagine that someone calls you disabled. Ask yourself, do you agree or disagree? What feelings come up for you? Based on your lived experiences, like your interactions with family, teachers, doctors, friends, and society more generally, how has your relationship with the concept of disability been shaped?\n > \n > Even though many governmental organizations officially recognize autism as a disability, this doesn’t mean that all autistic individuals identify as being disabled. Members of the autistic community have such varied lived experiences, which contributes to whether we each identify as being disabled or not. Moreover, how we relate to the concept of disability differs as well.

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[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bunch of different thoughts.

Eva: (...) Additionally, I always felt I excelled in other areas, so I am reasonably able to compensate or specialize to such a degree that I don’t feel less able than others on the whole. (...) What I just wrote remains true, but I function well with a lot of structure and guidance from others. Now that I am my own boss and no longer have a lot of structure and guidance, I actually feel a lot more disadvantaged than I used to (...) some people feel they are inherently disadvantaged, while others feel disadvantaged based on how society is structured

Remember that a mere change of 2 degrees in the global temperature is provoking a mass extinction of species. Requiring a particular environment to thrive is natural for animals. A lot of neurodivergent people just happen to come upon the issue that their environment has been built giving more importance to the wants of neurotypicals than to their own needs.

Natalie: I do not think of myself as disabled. I was diagnosed with PTSD by age 5 and attributed my challenges to that.

There are a lot of symptoms attributed to ASD on the DSM-5 that you could inflict on any neurotypical kid with enough trauma. I think we need to pay attention to the possibility that a lot of autistic kids are turning out disabled not because it is the natural development of their phenotype but because they get raised in an environment too disruptive to their needs even before they're capable of expressing them.

You can’t unblind somebody, or un-autism or un-ADHD someone.

Please do not do this shit. Not being able to see is objectively a disadvantage. You could find or create environments where the harm is reduced or even negated, but there's going to be virtually none where it's good without buts. It's great that some communities of blind people feel proud of their own culture, but many of those are cultivating this extremely toxic tendency to disavow the possibility to cure blindness even for those for whom it is possible because they dogmatically latch onto an identity.

Equating autism and blindness in this way gives a legitimacy to these attitudes that they do not deserve and is fairly disingenuous about what autism is.

[–] saplith@discuss.divergentparenting.space 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are a lot of symptoms attributed to ASD on the DSM-5 that you could inflict on any neurotypical kid with enough trauma. I think we need to pay attention to the possibility that a lot of autistic kids are turning out disabled not because it is the natural development of their phenotype but because they get raised in an environment too disruptive to their needs even before they’re capable of expressing them.

I think there is some merit to this, just from observing people parent NT children. Many parents don't seem to think of their children as people and aren't willing to be inconvenienced in any way for them. Trauma and neglect definitely don't do any child favors. I don't think that 100% catering to a child doesn't them any favors either, but compromise is necessary for living with literally anyone.

Please do not do this shit. Not being able to see is objectively a disadvantage. You could find or create environments where the harm is reduced or even negated, but there’s going to be virtually none where it’s good without buts. It’s great that some communities of blind people feel proud of their own culture, but many of those are cultivating this extremely toxic tendency to disavow the possibility to cure blindness even for those for whom it is possible because they dogmatically latch onto an identity.

Equating autism and blindness in this way gives a legitimacy to these attitudes that they do not deserve and is fairly disingenuous about what autism is.

I think there there is an inherit disadvantage in not being typical. I'm not ND, but I do have several invisible afflictions that doctors acknowledge, but don't have a label for because well premies should be glad to be alive. I can't change my many many afflictions due to having been born early. It definitely was and still is a disadvantage and there is no cure. It's just how I am. I won't say that there aren't toxic people in let's say the blind community who cling to their afflictions, but I think it's important to know that sometimes you don't get a cure. You're just how you are. Premies born after me don't suffer the same disabilities as the premies I know who are my age because they get better care in the hospital and outside it. Great, but that does nothing for me who has perfect vision technically, but can't see so many things. or a great many things I'm just stuck with as an adult.

I'd like my kid to be typical. I want to be typical even now. It's easier. She's left handed and that sucks. It's harder to be left-handed. If it were possible to give her a pill to make her magically right-handed I'd give it to her. As it stands, her chance of death is elevated for no other reason than she was born left handed. Accommodation is cool and all, but all of society has an assumption about handed-ness. This neurodiversity. I wish I could give her a pill to make her neurotypical. Shit I wish I could take a pill that could make my brain process things right like it would have if I was physically okay at the right times. But... I don't think that will happen for me or her and I think it's okay to accept that. It's okay to take a fix if it ever happens too.

[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Your claim about left-handedness sounded pretty weird to me, so I looked it up, and

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23988352

Surprise, surprise, it turns out that it's around the same degree of bad science as the people who muddy the facts around transgender people to deny them healthcare.

You have assumed that being atypical is intrinsically negative to the point that you don't demand the right for you to have equal dignity, rather than demanding a bigoted society that pushes you down to stop mistreating you, you have assumed that the solution to your woes is to no longer being different, as if the solution to racism was people of color painting their skin white.

You are torturing yourself in your own pit of self pity, and I have no respect nor compassion for that.